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PostSubject: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 11:00 am

Trying to solve the JWJ Davies mystery had me looking at George Williams who seems to have had similar upbringing and this led onto Captain Ulick De Burgh, another Welshman from a well off family, joined 5 West Yorkshire Militia (the same as George Williams). Goes to SA and  joins an irregular unit. Unfortunatly no clues re Davies but this is my info on Ulick -

THE undermentioned officers of the Auxiliary Forces are under orders to join the School of Instruction at Aldershot, on the 1st proximo, for a course of drill. Militia—Major H. C. Gould, Glamorgan Light Infantry ; Lieutenant G. H. Gordon, Royal Wilts ; Captain W. Black, Royal Wilts ; Lieutenant Ulick de Burgh, 5th West York ; Captain A. G. St. George, Armagh Light Infantry ; Lieutenant A. G. B. Riddell, West Kent : Lieutenant E. C. Hill, West Kent ; Lieutenant J. B. Day, 4th Middlesex ; Lieutenant H. C. Chalmondeley, 1st Cheshire ; Lieutenant J. Lamb, 1st Lanark ; Lieutenant W. C. C. Erskine, 1st Lanark ; Lieutenant J. H. Willock, Royal London ; Captain Worseley Worswick, Leicester ; Lieutenant E. C. Bond, West Essex ; Lieutenant F. S. Walker, West Essex ; Lieutenant H. M. Kenneys-Tynte, 1st Somerset ; Lieutenant R. Foord, North York. Volunteers—Major R. Caldicott, Ist Administrative, Warwick ; Major H. H. Chattock, Ist Administrative, Warwick ; Ensign A. C. Jones, 2nd Middlesex ; Ensign G. Hatch, 36th Middlesex; Ensign G. Fynes-Clinton, 1st London ; Ensign J. Wordsworth, 29th West Riding York.
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Ther undermentioned officers of the Auxiliary Forces completed a course of drill at the Aldershot School of Instruction, on the 31st ultimo, and were awarded certificates of proficiency as follows :—Field officers' certificates—Major H. C. Gould, Glamorgan Light Infantry Militia; Major R. Caldicott, 1st Administrative Battalion Warwick Rifle Volunteers. Captains' certificates—Militia—Captain W. Black, Royal Wilts ; Lieutenant Ulick de Burgh, 5th West York ; Lieutenant R. G. B. Riddell, West Kent ; Lieutenant G. H. Gordon, Royal Wilts ; Lieut. H. C. Cholmondeley, 1st Cheshire ; Lieutenant J. B. Day, 4th Middlesex Lieutenant W. C. C. Erskine, 1st Lanark ; Captain Worseley-Worswick, Leicester ; Lieutenant F. T. Walker, West Essex ; Lieutenant H. M. Kemeys-Tynte, Ist Somerset ; Lieutenant R. Foord, North York ; Lieutenant J. E. E. Roberts, Northumberland Light Infantry ; Lieutenant C. N. Miles, Royal North Gloucester. Rifle Volunteers—Ensign G. Fynes-Clinton, 1st London.
Broad Arrow 9th November 1872
(I wonder if W.C.C. Erskine is any relation to Charles Alexander Erskine?)

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"By early March the regiment had formed, and with strength of 160 mounted men, was called 'The Natal Horse' The regiment was organised into three troops as follows:-
No1 Troop Captain Ulick De Burgh 48men
No2 Troop John William Cooke 50 men
No3 Troop Captain Claude Albermarle Bettington 60 men ( For God Queen and Colony Terry Sole p222)

Interestingly Sole on page 226 has his name shown as Ulick J R de Burgh. Anyone any idea what the J R might stand for as I can't find any trace?

On the 31st October 1879 at Belle Vue, Tenby, South Wales their baby daughter Florence Violet aged 14 months died.

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The Carmarthen Journal 12 December 1879

In 1880 he worte a book 'Mounted infantry Drill' by Captain Ulick De Burgh 5th West York Militia, late Captain Natal Horse. Cloth 1s 1d

" Mounted Infantry Drill. By Captain Ulick de Burgh. (London: Wm. Clowes and Suns.) In this little work Captain de Burgh, who belongs to the 5th West York Militia, and who as captain of the Natal Horse saw service in the Zulu war, developes a well-considered scheme of mounted infantry drill. It is a subject which has not attracted the attention it deserves, and we hope the authorities will give it their careful consideration. Naval and Military Gazette 3 March 1880

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 2:34 pm

Kate
Ulick John R De Burgh married (Marriage Registry Oct-Dec 1870 Portsea Island 2b 855) Alice Georgiana Trower. With a name like that he has to be one of the Clanricarde De Burghs, though from a collateral branch (I can't find him as a lineal descendant). They were Anglo-Irish though, not Welsh.
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 4:14 pm

Don't think there is any connection to JWJD but know UDeB home belle vue very well it is a lovely grade 2 listed building overlooking Tenby harbour.
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 4:52 pm

Kate,

In answer to your question - Ulick John Rupert de Burgh, he resigned his militia commission in 1884. He was born in St. James’ Square, Westminster. Died in Croydon, September, 1924.

On your Erskine query - that is William Charles Chitty Erskine of the 1st Royal Lanarks, formerly of the 54th Regiment.  The second-in-command of the 1st Royal Lanarks was Major William Marshall Cochrane, who had a son who survived iSandlwana.

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 4:55 pm

Just looking at when his daughter died and his homecoming I'm wondering when he settled in South Wales?

A couple more bits of info-
Appears he was at a Levee held by the Queen at St James Palace on the 9th February 1878 where he was presented by the Adjutant General. (though the Leeds Mercury has him shown as A J R de Burgh)

A report dated 27 November 1878 has him in SA  being made a Captain in the 1st Regiment Native Pioneer Corp. so he was out there before the 22nd.

This is intreguing but probably nothing bearing in mind its Wales and the common name Davies
On the 13th July 1826 Major T.W. Davis Royal Monmouth and Brecon reg. Militia died at Belle Vue, Tenby.(Ulrick's street)
Then at 6 Belle Vue, Tenby, in 1865 the wife of Captain Davies died (note spelling of surname)

Thanks John. Small world.
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 5:04 pm

Further to your marraige report above Julian
Married on the 24th November 1870 at St Judes Southsea Ulick John Rupert de Burgh Esq to Alice Georgiana eldest daughter of Frederick C Trower, Captain late 9th and 16th Lancers. (Sun 30th November 1870)
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 5:08 pm

Kate,

There are a few entries on de Burgh in Keith Smith’s Local General Orders

I’ve updated my initial entry above with two places you know & love.

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 pm

Haha! Indeed John Salute
Funny I was looking through Keiths book this morning for any trace of JWJ Davies amongst all the conductors and clerks.
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 6:20 pm

I've just tried to find an obitury notice in any newspaper of 1879 for JWJD. NOTHING !!!!!!
Perhaps one of you with a bit more patience than me can find something. In other words the only record of JWJD KIA is on the church memorial!! now that's very odd!
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptyFri Jun 17, 2022 10:39 pm

Kate
In 1865 your widowed Capt. Davies, if he was JWJD, would have been 16 - not very likely! But as you say, Davies is a common name in Wales. Another dead end!
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Ulick De Burgh   Captain Ulick De Burgh EmptySat Jun 18, 2022 8:55 am

Yes looks like it.
Am just trying to find JWJ Davies from a different angle rather than the direct approach.
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