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Posts : 3196 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
Subject: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:27 pm
I came across this photograph of the Crew of HMS Boadicea in 1880. Now the big question, can anyone name anybody in the photo? Any help or thoughts welcome.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Crew of HMS Boadicea, 1880's at Simonstown.
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Subject: Crew if HMS Bodicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:46 pm
1879graves,
I not sure I can identify too many of the people in this photo, but I think the officer 4th from the left in the second row is Commodore Richards. Man second from his left (in cap and gown) is Rev. John C. Pittman. I'm not sure, but I think the young man 2nd from the right in the first row is Midshipman Harry Boldero.
Here is the list of officers from "The Navy List Corrected to the 19th June, 1880"
HMS Boadicea
Captain Frederick W. Richards (Commodore, 2nd class) Secretary John Carlisle Clerk to Sec. John C. Bartlett Commander Francis Romilly Lieutenant John Masterman Henry B. C. Wynyard Ernest C. Hobkirk Reginald P. Cochran Arthur H. F. Duncan Nav. Lieut. John W. McFarlane Lieut. Marines John W. Robyns Chap. & Nav. Instr. Rev. John C. Pittman Fleet Surgeon James N. J. O’Malley Paymaster Charles T. Dawson Chief Engineer William Dark Sub-Lieut. Augustus L. Scott Francis A. Valentine William H. Hewitt Surgeon Evelyn R. H. Pollard Assist. Paym. Francis H. Hale Engineer Ivie A. Couper William J. C. Brown Samuel J. Williams Gunner Alfred J. Roberts Boatswain Thomas Morris Carpenter John D. Cockburn Midshipman Charles H. A. Gleig Arthur G. Cawston Francis G. Eyre Harry S. Boldero Gilbert R. West William H. Boys Hon. Stanley C. J. Colville Assist. Eng. Charles H. Biddick Edward J. Rutter Clerk Howard Cleveland Assist. Clerk Horatio O. Jones Harry P. Barnett
I hope this helps give you a start.
Petty Officer Tom
1879graves
Posts : 3196 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:02 pm
Hi Tom
Many thanks for the info and names. Do you know the Naval rank insigna on the sleeves in the photo, this could help identify a few fellows.
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Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:53 pm
1879graves,
Insignia of the Royal Navy are shown on this link.
I started to try and figure some of these out myself, but the quality of the photograph makes it a little difficult. When I have more time, and better light, I will work on it and get back to you.
By the way, anyone in the list of officers I sent who does not have a rank in front of his name is the same rank as the person above, ie., Hewitt & Valentine are Sub-Lieuts.
Good-Luck!
Petty Officer Tom
1879graves
Posts : 3196 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:49 pm
Hi Petty Officer Tom
My internet security will not give me access to that link. Like you, I need more time to have a better look at this photgraph.
1879Graves
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Posts : 1859 Join date : 2009-03-25
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:10 pm
The link won't work for me either.
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Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:36 pm
The second link is to google books. Click on Search books and open UNIFORM REGULATIONS FOR OFFICERS, PETTY OFFICERS AND SEAMEN OF THE FLEET. THERE ARE SEVERAL PLATES TOWARD THE END OF THE BOOK SHOWING DIFFERENT UNIFORMS AND INSIGNIA.
Petty Officer Tom
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Subject: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:06 pm
Dave,
I have seen this photo with the Gatling gun before. The officers in the helmets are from left to right: Lieut. F. R. Carr (Boadicea), Lieut. M. H. Drummond (Shah), Surgeon S. W. Vassey (Boadicea), Lieut. E. C. Hobkirk (Boadicea) and Surgeon J. J. Connell (Shah). The young man (in dark uniform) sitting in front of the gun is Midshipman W. H. Hewitt (Boadicea).
Petty Officer Tom
Dave
Posts : 1604 Join date : 2009-09-21
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:09 pm
Tom that’s brilliant. Thanks very much for your reply. It always good to put names to faces.
Dave.
1879graves
Posts : 3196 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:23 pm
1879graves,
Now I know where I had seen it!
Petty Officer Tom
Dave
Posts : 1604 Join date : 2009-09-21
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:31 pm
1879Graves / Tom Apologies. I was not aware it was already on the forum. But thanks.
Admin. It appears I have duplicated the photo above.
Dave.
Tom have you seen this is the eye witness account section.
John Carroll Diary Log of H.M.S. Active
Dave. Sent you a PM
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Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:38 pm
Dave,
Yes I have. I would love to have access to more diaries. I enjoy reading these eyewitness accounts. Always a lot better read than official reports.
Petty Office Tom
Dave
Posts : 1604 Join date : 2009-09-21
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:45 pm
It was a bit long winded. But it was worth the read.
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Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:43 pm
1879graves
I ran across this description of a photograph of Boadicea officers on the Janus website. Unfortunately there is not a copy of the photo to compare to yours, but I think it is highly likely.
Group of officers, H.M.S. 'Boadicea', 1884
A group portrait of the officers of H.M.S. Boadicea arranged around Admiral Sir Nowell Salmon V.C. (1835-1912), Commander-in-Chief at the Cape 1882-1885. The men are identified beneath the print as (Christian names taken from the 'Navy List' for 1884): Captain Edmund J. Church; Sydney Tyers (Captain of Marines); Dr. Alexander M. French (Surgeon); Dr. Williams L. Powell (Fleet Surgeon); Rev. William Oxland (Chaplain); Chief Engineer Richard W. Topp; Assistant Engineer Thomson [? John E. Johnson]; Paymaster William Noble; Assistant Paymaster Reginald B. Rigbye; Flag Lieut. Ian R. Grant; Lieut. Thomas Hadley; Lieut. James B. Hay (gunnery officer); Lieut. Henry C.B. Hulbert; Lieut. Thomas F.W. Ingham (torpedo officer); Lieut. Harry S.F. Niblett; Lieut. Frederic Roope; Midshipman Aylmer C.L. Cameron; Mid. Louis W.P. Chetwynd; Mid. Cecil F. Dampier; Mid. Alfred R.L. Hayward; Mid. Thomas W. Kemp; Mid. John E. Oldnall-Russell; Mid. Robert F. Scott; Mid. Charles F. Sowerby; Charles E. Gifford (secretary); Henry P. White (clerk); Gunner Thomas Kirby; John Garland (carpenter); Richard G. |Drew (Boatswain); William Johns (Boatswain).
From Sydney Tyers album on Janus http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0115%2FY305K%2F58;sib0=53[center]
Pett Officer Tom
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Posts : 7077 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 53 Location : Down South.
Subject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:06 am
Tom you will find this interesting may help you has well. Turn off the music.
Assigned to the Chatham Division of the RMLI (Main Gate to Barracks shown below) the first entry which refers to service aboard ship was his embarkation on 3rd June 1879 to join the battalion in South Africa. The record identified him as on the muster roll of HMS Boadicea, one of the warships providing men and materials to the Naval Brigade and the army in Zululand at the time of the Zulu war. But HMS Boadicea was at that date at Port Natal so his embarkation must have been on an unidentified troopship. His involvement was short however, just long enough for one voyage there and back, 80 days in all.
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