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PostSubject: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySat Oct 24, 2009 4:27 pm

I came across this photograph of the Crew of HMS Boadicea in 1880.
Now the big question, can anyone name anybody in the photo?
Any help or thoughts welcome.


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Crew of HMS Boadicea, 1880's at Simonstown.
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PostSubject: Crew if HMS Bodicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySat Oct 24, 2009 6:46 pm

1879graves,

I not sure I can identify too many of the people in this photo, but I think the officer 4th from the left in the second row is Commodore Richards. Man second from his left (in cap and gown) is Rev. John C. Pittman. I'm not sure, but I think the young man 2nd from the right in the first row is Midshipman Harry Boldero.

Here is the list of officers from "The Navy List Corrected to the 19th June, 1880"

HMS Boadicea

Captain Frederick W. Richards (Commodore, 2nd class)
Secretary John Carlisle
Clerk to Sec. John C. Bartlett
Commander Francis Romilly
Lieutenant John Masterman
Henry B. C. Wynyard
Ernest C. Hobkirk
Reginald P. Cochran
Arthur H. F. Duncan
Nav. Lieut. John W. McFarlane
Lieut. Marines John W. Robyns
Chap. & Nav. Instr. Rev. John C. Pittman
Fleet Surgeon James N. J. O’Malley
Paymaster Charles T. Dawson
Chief Engineer William Dark
Sub-Lieut. Augustus L. Scott
Francis A. Valentine
William H. Hewitt
Surgeon Evelyn R. H. Pollard
Assist. Paym. Francis H. Hale
Engineer Ivie A. Couper
William J. C. Brown
Samuel J. Williams
Gunner Alfred J. Roberts
Boatswain Thomas Morris
Carpenter John D. Cockburn
Midshipman Charles H. A. Gleig
Arthur G. Cawston
Francis G. Eyre
Harry S. Boldero
Gilbert R. West
William H. Boys
Hon. Stanley C. J. Colville
Assist. Eng. Charles H. Biddick
Edward J. Rutter
Clerk Howard Cleveland
Assist. Clerk Horatio O. Jones
Harry P. Barnett

I hope this helps give you a start.

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySat Oct 24, 2009 7:02 pm

Hi Tom

Many thanks for the info and names. Do you know the Naval rank insigna on the sleeves in the photo, this could help identify a few fellows.
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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySat Oct 24, 2009 7:53 pm

1879graves,

Insignia of the Royal Navy are shown on this link.

www.geocites.com/noelcox/Officers_Rank_Insignia.htm

I started to try and figure some of these out myself, but the quality of the photograph makes it a little difficult. When I have more time, and better light, I will work on it and get back to you.

By the way, anyone in the list of officers I sent who does not have a rank in front of his name is the same rank as the person above, ie.,
Hewitt & Valentine are Sub-Lieuts.

Good-Luck!

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySat Oct 24, 2009 9:49 pm

Hi Petty Officer Tom

My internet security will not give me access to that link. Like you, I need more time to have a better look at this photgraph.

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The link won't work for me either.
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1879graves

Try this:

http://www.geocities.com/noelcox/Officers_Rank_Insignia.htm

and

http://books.google.com/books?id=xygAAAAAQAAJ&dq=uniform+regulations+for+officers,+petty+officers+and+seaman+of+the+fleet&source=gbs_similarbooks_s&cad=1

The second link is to google books. Click on Search books and open UNIFORM REGULATIONS FOR OFFICERS, PETTY OFFICERS AND SEAMEN OF THE FLEET. THERE ARE SEVERAL PLATES TOWARD THE END OF THE BOOK SHOWING DIFFERENT UNIFORMS AND INSIGNIA.

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PostSubject: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:06 pm

Dave,

I have seen this photo with the Gatling gun before. The officers in the helmets are from left to right:
Lieut. F. R. Carr (Boadicea), Lieut. M. H. Drummond (Shah), Surgeon S. W. Vassey (Boadicea), Lieut. E. C. Hobkirk (Boadicea) and Surgeon J. J. Connell (Shah). The young man (in dark uniform) sitting in front of the gun is Midshipman W. H. Hewitt (Boadicea).

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:09 pm

Tom that’s brilliant. Thanks very much for your reply. It always good to put names to faces.

Dave.
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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:13 pm

Hi Dave

Please have a look at the following

http://1879zuluwar.forumotion.com/british-colonial-uniforms-weapons-f4/the-gatling-gun-t107.htm
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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:23 pm

1879graves,

Now I know where I had seen it!

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:31 pm

1879Graves / Tom Apologies. I was not aware it was already on the forum. But thanks.

Admin. It appears I have duplicated the photo above.

Dave.

Tom have you seen this is the eye witness account section.

John Carroll Diary Log of H.M.S. Active

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:38 pm

Dave,

Yes I have. I would love to have access to more diaries. I enjoy reading these eyewitness accounts. Always a lot better read than official reports.

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptySun Oct 25, 2009 8:45 pm

It was a bit long winded. But it was worth the read.
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1879graves

I ran across this description of a photograph of Boadicea officers on the Janus website. Unfortunately there is not a copy of the photo to compare to yours, but I think it is highly likely.

Group of officers, H.M.S. 'Boadicea', 1884

A group portrait of the officers of H.M.S. Boadicea arranged around Admiral Sir Nowell Salmon V.C. (1835-1912), Commander-in-Chief at the Cape 1882-1885. The men are identified beneath the print as (Christian names taken from the 'Navy List' for 1884): Captain Edmund J. Church; Sydney Tyers (Captain of Marines); Dr. Alexander M. French (Surgeon); Dr. Williams L. Powell (Fleet Surgeon); Rev. William Oxland (Chaplain); Chief Engineer Richard W. Topp; Assistant Engineer Thomson [? John E. Johnson]; Paymaster William Noble; Assistant Paymaster Reginald B. Rigbye; Flag Lieut. Ian R. Grant; Lieut. Thomas Hadley; Lieut. James B. Hay (gunnery officer); Lieut. Henry C.B. Hulbert; Lieut. Thomas F.W. Ingham (torpedo officer); Lieut. Harry S.F. Niblett; Lieut. Frederic Roope; Midshipman Aylmer C.L. Cameron; Mid. Louis W.P. Chetwynd; Mid. Cecil F. Dampier; Mid. Alfred R.L. Hayward; Mid. Thomas W. Kemp; Mid. John E. Oldnall-Russell; Mid. Robert F. Scott; Mid. Charles F. Sowerby; Charles E. Gifford (secretary); Henry P. White (clerk); Gunner Thomas Kirby; John Garland (carpenter); Richard G. |Drew (Boatswain); William Johns (Boatswain).

From Sydney Tyers album on Janus
http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0115%2FY305K%2F58;sib0=53[center]

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PostSubject: Re: The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880   The Crew of HMS Boadicea 1880 EmptyFri Apr 09, 2010 12:06 am

Tom you will find this interesting may help you has well. Turn off the music.


Assigned to the Chatham Division of the RMLI (Main Gate to Barracks shown below) the first entry which refers to service aboard ship was his embarkation on 3rd June 1879 to join the battalion in South Africa. The record identified him as on the muster roll of HMS Boadicea, one of the warships providing men and materials to the Naval Brigade and the army in Zululand at the time of the Zulu war. But HMS Boadicea was at that date at Port Natal so his embarkation must have been on an unidentified troopship. His involvement was short however, just long enough for one voyage there and back, 80 days in all.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.freewebs.com/halgen/9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.freewebs.com/halgen/exfam.htm&usg=__CyL8413vLR6pjmJ3ULWt458vAxI=&h=382&w=666&sz=179&hl=en&start=39&itbs=1&tbnid=uSE2SVwqGybJZM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3DH.M.S.Boadicea%2B1884%26start%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1
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Here's some on a Boadicea's crewman.

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