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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyMon May 24, 2010 1:42 pm

7 to 8 thousand is still alot of money. Id love to get my hands on the family member who sold his medal, id string them up from the nearest tree. Wink

I will get it back, sooner or later. Someones had enough time out of it.. its time for it to come back where it belongs now. Enough is enough.

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyMon May 24, 2010 8:31 pm

That's the way James. Positive thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyMon May 24, 2010 10:26 pm

Hi James. Good to see you haven't given up. Remember its comes to those that wait. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyTue May 25, 2010 8:55 pm

I hope you are right Admin. Neutral

It doesnt belong to anyone else.. it needs to come home!

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyTue May 25, 2010 9:08 pm

James, keep your chin up and your eyes open, you will find the medal sooner or later!

Dont give up your search, it will be worth it when you get your hands on that peice of your families history

thanks joe
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyTue May 25, 2010 9:12 pm

I have been saving for it alot lately. Im definatly not going to give up. I just want my grandad to see it.. hes 70.

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyTue May 25, 2010 9:23 pm

hi James,

Ive just had a look at your posts on the victorian wars forum, and realised you said 'Harry Slade' and not Henry, which one is it or the same man???

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed May 26, 2010 1:08 pm

Hey Joe..

Harry and Henry are the same name, sounds strange I know. Its the same guy :)

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed May 26, 2010 3:27 pm

hi
thanks james, which name would be on his medal then?

thanks joe
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed May 26, 2010 4:01 pm

Now that.. ive got no idea. I imagine it would just say H.Slade 895 or something like that, not having actually seen the naming on the medal I cant be certain Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyMon May 31, 2010 10:11 pm

James. Here's a link to a medal tracker. Worth a try. http://www.historikorders.com/medaltrackerform.html
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PostSubject: Re : T. Walsh medal post - 9th Dec 2009   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptySat Jul 31, 2010 5:40 pm

In reference to the ribbon buckle, this is the third buckle of this exact design that I have seen on Zulu medals to members of the 24th - must have been supplied by the regiment or same jeweller. In fact, follow the link to this picture - here's another.

http://www.neatemedals.co.uk/medals/campaign-medals/south-africa-medal-1877-1879-bar-1877-8-9.html

Anyone else got this buckle on their medal?
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptySat Jul 31, 2010 6:09 pm

tasker224 Probably a personal touch by someone who once owned it. Maybe the original was lost.
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With ornate silver ribbon brooch.
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Thanks Saul - I respect your opinion on this - perhaps a very common style of silver buckle at that time.
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 09, 2010 6:04 pm

Hello all! I still havnt found anything... It seems for certain ive hit a wall. Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 09, 2010 6:48 pm

James,

Sorry if you've already see this - its the DNW auction listing from 1993:

Lot 55, 28 Jul 93
Category: SINGLE CAMPAIGN MEDALS
Subcategory: South Africa 1877-79
Estimate: £1200-£1400
Hammer Price: £1100

Description
SOUTH AFRICA 1877-79, 1 clasp, 1877-8-9 (895 Pte. H. Slade, 2/24th Foot) some light surface marks but generally good very fine and a scarce casually to the 2nd Battalion
Footnote
895 Private Henry Slade was killed in action at Isandhlwana on 22 January, 1879. He had served in 'D' company, 2nd Bn. 24th Foot and his medal was issued to his next of kin on 29 August, 1882.


http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=3158

Keep your eyes open James, It'll surface again.

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Hello All.. still no luck I presume : \

I still check auction sites, dealers websites etc, still nothing. I just wish whoever had it, would give it up.. theyve had their fun. Its time it came home!

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 2:26 pm

Hi James
I have an ancestor who served at Trafalgar (HMS Thunderer if I remember correctly) and my grandfather's brother was killed on the Somme.
Sadly I do not have my ancestor's Trafalgar medal - not even sure if one exists or was issued as he probably wouldn't have been able to read or write, in order to claim it anyway. (He was still alive in 1861 - so he could have claimed it, but if he did, it is long gone).
The important thing to remember is your ancestor WAS THERE, and medal or no medal, this historical fact can never be changed. It is this historical knowledge and family heritage that is important to pass on to your kids and descendants - the silver trinket is not that important really, compared to the documentary records that will exist in our libraries and archives for as long as Britain remains a nation, connecting your ancestor with Isandlwana!
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Rest in peace Henry Slade
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Hello everyone! I hope everyone had a good christmas and new year?

Still no luck I guess? Neutral

I was told the other day by a relative on my fathers side of the family, that there was a Millership in the Zulu war, now im not sure which regiment.

But they come from the midlands.. could someone search the roll for me and find out? As ive lost my disc scratch

Best regards to you all

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyTue Jan 25, 2011 6:58 pm

Hi James

You are correct, there was a Millership who served in the Zulu War.

He was Private William Millership, 80th Regiment
His regimental service number was 851. Medal with Clasp ‘1879’

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Many thanks for your reply Graves!

I see the 80th regiment only had the one Battalion engaged in the Zulu war. Hmm. Id love to be able to connect this man to my family tree, as Millership is not a common name. The south Staffordshire regiment is also the local regiment for where my family originates from. By my calculations I believe he would be 42, as theres only one suitable candidate on my tree... Would this be too old for a soldier back in the day?

Many thanks for any replies

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Hi James.
Some more details on the Millership from the 80th Regt from Robert Hope's book ' A staffordshire Regiment In The Zulu & Sekukuni
Campaigns Of 1878 - 79 .

Millership .William . 851 . Private . Born , Oldbury , Worcestershire , Enlisted at Stafford 27 / 10 / 78 , Age 20 yrs , Joined
Regiment at Natal , South Africa 5 / 5 / 79 . Description Eyes Grey , Hair Brown , Complexion Fresh , Height 5ft 4 1/2 ''.
Trade Collier , Transferred to 1st Batt 4 / 10 / 81 . Hope this has been of some help.
cheers 90th. Idea
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90th!! That is superb information!! How can I thank you for that?!

Thats amazing!!

I shall tell my father this news this evening and hopefully he comes up with something.

I do hope he is related. This morning, I was told of ANOTHER relative in the zulu war.

But this guy is a bit more vague.

Nobody knows much about him other than his name is George Slade (regiment unknown)

He come back from the war wounded, a stabbing wound in his leg (apparantly) but he was reported to have gone a bit mad in his later years, apparently hanging out of a window shouting firing orders, pretending he was killing Zulu's. Not sure how true this is, but didnt something similar happen to an RD veteran?

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PostSubject: Pvt H. SLADE 895 KIA ISANDLWANA   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 3:50 pm

Hi James.
No worries mate , happy to be of service . Hopefully good news will come of it . Idea
cheers 90th. :lol:
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I hope so too! I Just spoke to my father, and oldbury is an area where relations have lived, and currently do live, which is a good sign!

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 4:44 pm

Jame's There's a Lt.-Gen. Frederick George Slade who fought in the Kaffir War in 1878 He fought in the Zulu War in 1879. He fought in the Transvaal Campaign in 1881. He fought in the Egypt Campaign in 1882. He fought in the Sudan Campaign in 1884.

He fought in the Mile Expedition between 1884 and 1885. He was invested as a Companion, Order of the Bath (C.B.). He was invested as a Fellow, Royal Geographical Society (F.R.G.S.).

He was Inspector-General of the Royal Garrison Artillery at HQ between 1902 and 1906. He gained the rank of Lieutenant-General in the service of the Royal Artillery.

Source: Peerage.
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 4:49 pm

Chard1879 wrote:
Jame's There's a Lt.-Gen. Frederick George Slade who fought in the Kaffir War in 1878 He fought in the Zulu War in 1879. He fought in the Transvaal Campaign in 1881. He fought in the Egypt Campaign in 1882. He fought in the Sudan Campaign in 1884.

He fought in the Mile Expedition between 1884 and 1885. He was invested as a Companion, Order of the Bath (C.B.). He was invested as a Fellow, Royal Geographical Society (F.R.G.S.).

He was Inspector-General of the Royal Garrison Artillery at HQ between 1902 and 1906. He gained the rank of Lieutenant-General in the service of the Royal Artillery.

Source: Peerage.

Hello there Chard!

Haha, I dont think my family ever had a single officer serving in the british army..

They werent that well off back then. I know my great grandfather who served in the Boer war, had to sell his medals to provide for his family. Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 4:54 pm

James you did say
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(regiment unknown)
So you wouldn't be sure on his rank.
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 5:01 pm

24th wrote:
James you did say
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(regiment unknown)
So you wouldn't be sure on his rank.

Im not sure on that one 24th, I doubt he is anything higher than a Cpl..

None of my relatives seem to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 6:31 pm

James, are you still preposessed with buying Henry Slade's medal, or are you now more cool about it? (Someone is undoubtedly taking great care of it). Remember,

"The important thing to remember is your ancestor WAS THERE, and medal or no medal, this historical fact can never be changed. It is this historical knowledge and family heritage that is important to pass on to your kids and descendants - the silver trinket is not that important really, compared to the documentary records that will exist in our libraries and archives for as long as Britain remains a nation, connecting your ancestor with Isandlwana!"

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 26, 2011 8:55 pm

James. Mot sure if this has been asked before. Do you have a photo of Pte Henry Slade 895
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 6:04 pm

No Chard I dont have one, and ive never seen one either Mad

Id love to see one.. although ive got a pretty good idea of what he looked like, as ive seen a photo of his brother in the Grenadier guards
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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyWed Mar 28, 2012 7:55 pm

Hello everyone!

Its been a while since ive been on here... Glad to see its still going strong!

I was wondering if anyone had seen the medal in question for sale? or even heard of the person who owns it?

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptyThu Mar 29, 2012 1:30 pm

Hi James

you could try advertising in Medal News - both online and in their magazine. Another good place to ask is the OMRS (the Order and Medal Research Society) - I think these two publications would cover a large percentage of medal collectors.

I have read this thread with interest and as a medal collector - I am pretty certain that the majority of collectors would happily sell a medal in their collection back to the family. I have done so twice and it is a very satisfying feeling. We are after all only guardians of the medals and the memories of their owners .

Good Luck I too shall keep my eyes open.

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Hi there Sergio, thanks for your reply. I did put a small bit in the OMRS magazine some time ago, but nothing came of it, perhaps like you say its time to try it again. Id love to see it some day! I am almost giving up hope Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana   Pte Henry Slade 895 - KIA - Isandhlwana - Page 2 EmptySun Feb 03, 2013 6:29 pm

Hello everyone! Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I've got some pictures I would like you all to see.

I have had the medal checked out. I have been told, its a casting of the ORIGINAL!!!!!! Which was fantastic news!

The naming on the rim was part of the casting, what I mean is that it was not engraved or stamped on afterwards, it was off the original medal!

Here is one of me and my Grandfather, with an mk1 conversion 1873 Martini Henry.

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And here is a picture of Henry Slades brother.... I imagine they would look very much alike! You can now even sort of put a face on Henry in a way :)

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I hope you like the pictures.

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James thanks for the photos, that's what it's all about, I remember well when you first joined the forum. Who thought this story would end in the way it did. Who's know the original medal may come to light one day, but having a cast from the original is just as good. Salute

Your Grandfather looks at home with his MH.

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The mh is my fathers :)

I sold it to him a while ago now. I like the picture of Henry's brother :)

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My grandad also remembers being issued his first martini lol :)

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Ah!!! Question. Why was hs opinion of the rifle.
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Hi James .
Thanks for the great photo's and very much appreciated you've taken the time to post them . Excellent
news about the Medal , and has many of us have said previously , you never know, one day you may be in
a position where you can actually get the '' Real One '' . Save those Pennies mate , you just never Know !
Cheers 90th . Salute
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Well done James. Salute
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