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PostSubject: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyFri Dec 18, 2009 9:55 pm

I’m looking for the other member’s reactions on bringing home the dead from Isandlwana.

I for one would like to see the remains of our soldiers that died at Isandlwana brought home, They have never really been put to rest, even now remains are coming to the surface. Maybe their telling us they don’t want to been there. It was a horrific battle where horrible mutilations took place. And are they really respected I doubt it, I have read that graves are being looted, not a happy situation for our boys buried out there.

I understand its says a soldier should be buried when he fell. But I think that depends on the country where they fell. I say bring the remains home and give them a proper burial in English soil.
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyFri Dec 18, 2009 10:32 pm

Prior to the 19th century soldiers killed in battle were in general buried in communal graves, which were not marked exclusively as military burial sites. Only certain influential or recognized heroes were given the tribute of a marked individual war grave.
They were frequently buried where they fell in action, or in a burial ground on or near the battlefield. A straightforward cross or marker might be put up to mark the position and give brief details of the persons who had died. The British Army had no executive record to which these battlefield interments could be officially reported with a name and the location of the grave.

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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyFri Dec 18, 2009 10:34 pm

Thanks. But it didn’t really answer my question. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptySat Dec 19, 2009 5:43 am

CTSGWhere would you stop. Waterloo? Flanders? The same argument could apply to any battlefield. Possibly the present location, with the erosion, is not the best for the interment. But Im sure that Neil or any other visitor to the site will tell you, the battlefield has a certain majesty, a sense of dignity as well as mystique. No CTSG they are resting in the right place.

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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptySat Dec 19, 2009 7:46 am

Agree with springbok9

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PostSubject: bring the remains home   Bring the remains home. EmptySat Dec 19, 2009 7:51 am

hi ctsg.
I also agree with springbok9.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyTue Dec 22, 2009 9:51 pm

Bear in mind that there are approximately 33 000 British soldiers buried in South Africa - all over the country. Your Government would have to enter into intensive discussion with our Government regarding the repatriation of remains, because war graves, monuments, relics and written material are protected in terms of legislation.
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 12:05 am

A bit off topic. But can anyone tell, why the soldiers that fell in the Falklands weren’t brought home for burial, like the fallen in Afghanistan.
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PostSubject: bring the remains home   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 12:13 am

hi ctsg.
In regard to the Falkland Island dead , it would be because the Island is owned by the British. So
they are buried in English soil .
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 12:15 am

Rupert Brooke. 1887–1915

The Soldier

IF I should die, think only this of me;
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.

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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 12:16 am

Good answer 90th. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 7:33 am

If it was the wish of the families the bodies of the Falklands dead were returned to the UK after the end of the conflict.
The coffins were shipped to Marchwood Military Port.

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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 11:39 pm

CTSG. This is exactly why the remains of those Brave soldiers should remain where they are. I would have given anything to be there when this happen.

IF YOU GET MY MEANING Mad

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"Student pictured urinating on war memorial
He had drunk a bottle of whisky and been in numerous bars before he collapsed outside a supermarket and then urinated on Sheffield's main war memorial, which is the middle of an open square in the centre of the city, in front of the City Hall.

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I would be keen to know what other members think about this outrageous and disrespectful behaviour.
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyWed Dec 23, 2009 11:44 pm

Quote :
I would have given anything to be there when this happen.

The (Headlines would have been more fitting to our members taste no doubt)
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyThu Dec 24, 2009 12:00 am

I remembered this well, when it hit the headlines. Worst of all his Great Grandfather fought in the Great War. Well lets face his generation have no respect for themselves let alone anything else.

sas1. Are you back in the UK.

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PostSubject: bring the remains home   Bring the remains home. EmptyThu Dec 24, 2009 5:07 am

hi all.
Do we know if that MORON recieved any sort of punishment ?. In Australia , I"m sure if
someone saw him do that , well lets say he would have had a real bad headache in the
morning if in fact he was lucky enough to wake up. That sort of thing doesnt wear to well
in Australia and neither it should in any country. I hope he was made to clean it , with
his tongue Mad .
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyThu Dec 24, 2009 12:03 pm

send him on an SAS training course for a couple of days , i am sure the instructors would teach him a little respect .
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyThu Dec 24, 2009 1:06 pm

UK student avoids prison after urinating on war memorial

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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyThu Dec 24, 2009 1:19 pm

Hi 90th

From the link from littlehand, he got "District Judge Anthony Browne said that he had considered sending Laing to prison for this offence but instead ordered him to do 250 hours of community service. Browne said that he had never seen anyone more contrite before him in the court. He also ordered Laing to pay £185 in prosecution costs. "

His only punishment should have been the following:
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PostSubject: Re: Bring the remains home.   Bring the remains home. EmptyThu Dec 24, 2009 2:55 pm

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