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PostSubject: Cetshwayo and Chelmsford   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 12:44 am

Probably a stupid question, but did Lord Chelmsford and Cetshwayo ever meet. It seems that there relationship was based on messages sent to one another, Cetshwayo wasn't at Ulundi and Chelmsford was relived of his command and I believe Chelmsford was on his way back or was back in the England when Cetshwayo was captured. And I'm not sure if they met when Cetshwayo was brought back to England.
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PostSubject: cetswayo and chelmesford.   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 2:52 am

hi littlehand.
No , not a stupid question at all , I dont think I have read or seen anything that says that they met.
I would say that they didnt , and I doubt they met in England either . But , I am happy to stand corrected.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Cetshwayo and Chelmsford   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 7:11 am

When he was interviewed did Cetshwayo ever say anything about Chelmsford ?

I am thnking about what he thought of the British tactics around Ishandlwana etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Cetshwayo and Chelmsford   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 11:08 am

It was Gladstone who saw Cetewayo's reinstatement as the key to determine the equilibrium of power: he was accordingly brought to London in 1883 for 'discussions' (which were more like unsympathetic dictated terms) about his reinstatement. He was here for three months, with a small entourage, and had an audience with Queen Victoria at Osborne house before returning to Natal. Significantly damaged in influence, he was unable to avert factional fighting turning into a bloodthirsty civil war: within two months he was forced to flee to British-held Natal and died in February 1884. Some alleged poisoning.

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PostSubject: Re: Cetshwayo and Chelmsford   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 1:54 pm

Thanks E.H very interesting. But did they ever meet.

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PostSubject: Re: Cetshwayo and Chelmsford   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 10:19 pm

I like this, very much.

"Cetshwayo visited London and met Queen Victoria in 1822. He attracted large crowds wherever he went. He said to the crowds, "I do not care to be made a show of. If English people have never seen a black man before I am sorry. I am not a wild beast; I did not come here to be looked at."
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PostSubject: Re: Cetshwayo and Chelmsford   Cetshwayo and Chelmsford EmptySat Jan 16, 2010 11:27 pm

Daily Telegraph, May 18.

CETEWAYO IN LONDON

Cetewayo, accompanied by his suite and his interpreter, Mr. Dunn,visited the Zoological Gardens yesterday. The party travelled in two carriages, the first of which was closed, by the Ex-King's desire. They drove by way of Kensington Gardens, Hyde Park-corner, Cumberland street, and Upper George-street, to the Gardens, where they were received by Mr. Bartlett the Superintendent. The party first visited the bears, then the lion and monkey houses and the seals. Cetewayo and the Chiefs appeared highly amused with all they saw.
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Did John Dunn come to London with Cetewayo, or was he already in London before the he arrived. ??
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