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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:01 am | |
| In conclusion of Curlings evidence to the Board of Enquiry, he mentions that the cease fire was heard twice during the course of the battle. I dont recall that being mentioned by any other survivor. And why would a cease fire be sounded? Any thoughts?
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| | | old historian2
Posts : 1093 Join date : 2009-01-14 Location : East London
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:04 pm | |
| Hi Springbok9.
I have been looking at the court of enquiry documents, but cannot find any mention of him saying a fire.
8th Evidence.—"Lieutenant Curling, R.A., states: I was left in camp with two guns, when the remaining four guns of the battery went out with the main body of the column, on 22nd January, 1879. Major Stuart Smith joined and took command of the guns about twelve noon. I hand in a written statement (marked B). I have nothing to add to that statement" |
| | | 1879graves
Posts : 3388 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:25 pm | |
| From Lieutenant Curling to Officer Commanding No. 8. Helpmakaar, January 26, 1879. SIR, I HAVE the honour to forward the following report of the circumstances attending the loss of two guns of N Brigade, 5th Battery Royal Artillery, at the action of Isandlwana, on January 22. About 7.80 A.M. on that date, a large body of Zulus being seen on the hills to the left front of the camp, we were ordered to turn out at once, and were formed up in front of the 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment Camp, where we remained until eleven o'clock, when we returned to camp with orders to remain harnessed up and ready to turn out at a minute's notice. The Zulus did not come within range and we did not come into action. The infantry also remained in column of companies. Colonel Durnford arrived about ten A.M. with Basutos and the rocket battery ; he left about eleven o'clock with these troops in the direction of the hills where we had seen the enemy. About twelve o'clock we were, turned out, as heavy firing was heard in the direction of Colonel Durnford's force. Major Smith arrived as we were turning out and took command of the guns, we trotted up to a position about 400 yards beyond the left front of the Natal Contingent Camp, and came into action at once on a large body of the enemy about 3,400 yards off. The 1st Battalion 24th Regiment soon came up and extended in skirmishing order on both flanks and in line with us. In about a quarter of an hour, Major Smith took away one gun to the right, as the enemy were appearing in large numbers in the direction of the Drift, in the stream in front of the camp. The enemy advanced slowly, without halting; when they were 400 yards off, the 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment advanced about 30 yards. We remained in the same position. Major Smith, returned at this time with his gun, and came into action beside mine. The enemy advancing still, we began firing case, but almost immediately the infantry were ordered to retire. Before we could get away, the enemy were by the guns; and I saw one gunner stabbed as he was mounting on to an axle-tree box. The limber gunners did not mount, but ran after the guns. We went straight through the camp but found the enemy in possession. The gunners were all stabbed going through the camp with the exception of one or two. One of the two sergeants was also killed at this time. When we got on to the road to Rorke's Drift it was completely blocked up by Zulus. I was with Major Smith at this time, he told me he had been wounded in the arm. We saw Lieutenant Coghill, the A.D.C., and asked him if we could not rally some men and make a stand, he said he did not think it could be done. We crossed the road with the crowd, principally consisting of natives, men left in camp, and civilians, and went down a steep ravine leading towards the river. The Zulus were in the middle of the crowd, stabbing the men as they ran. When we had gone about 400 yards, we came to a deep cut in which the guns stuck. There was, as far as I could see, only one gunner with them at this time, but they were covered with men of different corps clinging to them. The Zulus were in them almost at once, and the drivers pulled off their horses. I then left the guns. Shortly after this. I again saw Lieutenant Coghill, who told me Colonel Pulleine had been killed. Near the river I saw Lieutenant Melville, 1st Battalion 24th Regiment, with a colour, the staff being broken. I also saw Lieutenant Smith-Dorrien assisting a wounded man. During the action, cease firing, was sounded twice. I am, &c. (Signed) H. T. CURLING, Lieutenant R.A. |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 56 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:48 pm | |
| I wonder if Curling is referring to the Cannons being told to cease-fire. |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:19 am | |
| Thats the rub! Why sound the cease fire? Curious. |
| | | Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:45 pm | |
| It does seem a bit odd that one else heard it. And I can’t see what bearing this had on the case anyway. I mean so what if cease firing was heard, does he say at what stage of the battle was this heard. Sorry did not see this - Quote :
- "During the action, cease firing, was sounded twice."
At the start, the middle, or the end. ?????? |
| | | Mr Greaves
Posts : 747 Join date : 2009-10-18
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:28 pm | |
| Came across this, maybe this is what Curling is on about.
[i]As the ends of the imperial firing line were overrun Pulleine tried to pull his companies back into a close-order defence around the camp. The accounts state that this was done as a movement - that the imperial infantry ceased fire to move rather than moving back by covered bounds- and that the Zulu commanders saw this chance to put in their attack.[/i] |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 56 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:09 pm | |
| I think Curling would have been well on his way by the time this happen. |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Lieutenant Curlings evidence Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:40 am | |
| littlehand Quite correct, at the collapse Curling was on his way. |
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