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PostSubject: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyWed Mar 16, 2011 9:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyWed Mar 16, 2011 9:41 pm

Hi Littlehand

I am unable to find a Greaves listed for the 3rd NNC but there is a Private J Greaves listed under the Frontier Armed and Mounted Police.
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PostSubject: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyWed Mar 16, 2011 10:05 pm

Hi Littlejohn,
I concur with 1879Graves, I cannot trace any one of that name in the NNC either on the Medal Roll or my list. The nearest name you get is Graves, who was the Regimental CommanderCommandant of the 2nd NNC and he was not at Isandlwana.
One other point to consider is that in the proposed ranking structure laid out for the NNC, no rank of Private is quoted although both Troopers (in an infantry Corps ) ten in total and three Privates are listed on the Medal Roll. The Battalions to
which these men were attached is unknown barring one Trooper of the 5th Battalion.

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyWed Mar 16, 2011 10:14 pm

Phill. This is a Zulu War Forum. Not Robin Hood. It's Littlehand...
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PostSubject: Captain Greaves   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyWed Mar 16, 2011 10:33 pm

Dear Littlehand,
Sorry but it is getting past my bedtime, and I have never had any faith in varifocals!

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Phill or Fill?
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PostSubject: Captain Greaves Isandula survivor   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyThu Mar 17, 2011 4:03 am

Hi all.
I went through Terry Sole's book , For God , Queen and Colony - The Colonial Volunteer and Native Regt's in the Zulu War 1879.

2ND BATT / 3RD REGT NNC ......... CAPTAIN . Greaves . E.L. St.John . No other Details .
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PostSubject: Terry Sole's Book.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyThu Mar 17, 2011 4:16 am

Hi All.
For those who are interested here is the Sole Book , I know its in the wrong place but I've mentioned it on this thread
so here it is .....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Zulu-War-Book-Muster-Rolls-Colonials-/320667911673?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item4aa94c05f9

cheers 90th. Idea .

ps . I've found it very useful on several occassions .
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyThu Mar 17, 2011 10:04 am

Hi 90th

Not having the book myself, does it list other ranks as the article posted by Littlehand, states he was a private?
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyThu Mar 17, 2011 4:27 pm

Survivors.

Bombardier Gough.
Grant (RB)
Trainer (RB)
Conductor Foley
Private. Home. NMR
Trooper. Burne. NMR
Trooper. Moodie. NMR
Trooper. Walsh. NMR
Trooper. Brown. NMR
Trooper. Berning NMR
Trooper. Parson NMR
Trooper. Lennox BBG
Trooper. Adams BBG
Trooper. Stretch BBG
Trooper. Adams 2 BBG
Quartermaster. McPhail BBG
Lieutenant Higginson 3rd NNC
Captain Nourse NNC 1st
Captain Stafford NNC 1st
Captain Smythe NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Erskine NNC 1st
Trooper Sparks NMP
Trooper Hayes NMP
Trooper Collier NMP
Trooper Eaton. NMP
Trooper Kincade. NMP
Trooper Shannon NMP
Trooper Doig NMP
Trooper Dorehill NMP
Trooper Muirhead N.C
Trooper Fletcher N.C
Trooper Edwards NC
Trooper Baker NC
Trooper Grainger NC
Private. Wassall 80th
Private. Westwood 80th
Private. Davis 1/24th
Private. Parry 1/24th
Private. Power 1/24th
Private. Edwards’s 2/3rd
Corporal McCan 2.3rd
Patrick Naughton Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron
Edward Evans Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron
Gascoigne. Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron.

Source: Noble 24th

Horace Smith-dorrien.
Captain Essex
JA Brickhill
Captain Alan Gardner
Adendorff
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PostSubject: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyThu Mar 17, 2011 8:37 pm

Hi All,

Ref Local General Orders No 213, 3rd December 1878, concerning the posting of officers to the NNC:
Captain E.L. St. John Greaves to 2nd Battailon, 3rd Regiment.
Also F.W.D. Jackson's "Isandhlwana 1879 -The Sources Re-Examined" lists in the appendix, Captain St. John Greaves amongst those out of camp with Chelmsford's force at the time of the battle.

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyThu Mar 17, 2011 8:47 pm

Hi Phill

Well done for finding that information on Captain E.L. St. John Greaves to 2nd Battailon, 3rd Regiment.

But this still does not add up with the article that Littlehand posted.

Even if he was out with Chelmsford's force that day but later told people that he escaped the battle, it does still not explain the rank of Private bit in the article scratch
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PostSubject: Cap Greaves   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyFri Mar 18, 2011 1:30 am

Hi 1879Graves .
I think the term '' Escaped '' the battle means that he was lucky enough to have been with C'ford , not using it Literally
saying that he ''Escaped '' the battle in Person ! . Hard to put into words but I'm sure you can figure it out what I'm attempting
to say . :lol!: :lol!:
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Escaped as in avoided.
Tut tut these Aussies, teach em how to play cricket then how to speak english, sheees. :lol!:

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PostSubject: Captain Greaves Isandula survivor   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptyFri Mar 18, 2011 6:09 am

Hi Springbok.
Thanks for the help , its been a long day on the net !!!!. Idea Idea . I knew someone would understand .
cheers 90th. :lol!:
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 1:22 pm

Littlehand
Would you be kind enough to provide the name and date of the newspaper that this cutting came from?
Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 1:27 pm

Hi Julian

I found the same article printed in the following:
Hawke's Bay Herald, Volume XXI, Issue 5398, 3 June 1879, Page 2
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor.   Captain Greaves Isandula Survivor. EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 1:33 pm

Many thanks. This was just a simple misunderstanding on the paper's part, I think.
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