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PostSubject: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 8:14 am

Hi all.
I cant remember who it was but one of our lot was looking for books on the Zulu Rebellion , thought this may interest them .

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Anglo-Zulu-War-Incident-Trewirgie-SIGNED-LIMITED-ED-/220801423676?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item3368ca593c

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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 11:39 am

looks like a very interesting book.

do you have the book 90th and do you know anything about the author?
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 12:33 pm

It is written by Paul Thompson. He was a Professor at University of Natal in PMB and worked with Prof Laband.
He was co author of the Atlas of the zulu Wars and Atlas of the later Zulu wars with Laband. This book is a aort of atlas of the 1906 Uprising. I suspect it was privately published as publishing houses see minimal profit in a book on 1906. All the public wants it seems is Islandwana and Rorkes Drift over and over again.
Paul Thompson also wrote a good monograph about the NNC.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 2:01 pm

Thanks Eric, might bid.

Just thinking it'd be nice to read a little bit about a period that is not well covered, as you suggest.
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PostSubject: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 2:16 pm

Hi Eric .
First off , welcome aboard . Thanks for posting the info regarding Paul Thompson , saved me going through some books .

Tasker224.
No mate I dont have it , I only stick to the 1877-78-79 time period . I have a couple of the books in which Laband
and Thompson co- wrote .
Cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 6:23 pm

Hi thanks for the welcome
Most AZW enthusiasts focus on the events of 1870-1880 and then stop.
That misses out on probably the most important part of Zulu history.
I mean this with all respect but it is a bit of a problem for the Zulu people as it sort of traps them a bit in a Disney type environment. A bit like tourists flocking to Edinburgh to see people re-enacting Bonnie Prince Charlie and the 45 with no idea of how people are existing in modern Scotland. Everyone wants to come and see the traditional ZUlu but tourists are not interested in current issues facing the Zulu people. Authors such as Mr Greaves and Payne have done a lot to address this with their work at the Drift and all credit to them.
The professional historians ( academics who teach at universities) rather than enthusiasts ( like mpst of us are here) tend to focus on the post 1880 events. Jeff Guy and Shula Marks being the two who spring to mind most rapidly. I know Jeff Guy was invited to some SAMH society events but he feels that this is not his focus (strategy and tactics Durnford/Chelmsford/ Chard etc ) but more the class issues and how they impacted on the forcible integration of the Zulu nation into modern capitalist SA and how Zulu nationalism later was almost hijacked by the apartheid government to try and prop up white rule.
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptyMon Jun 20, 2011 8:00 am

Eric
You are quite right in your comments.
But people do tend to become focused. Much as an Ear Nose and Throat specialist is distantly aware that there are other parts of the body , his focus is on that small limited area.
Im probably the worst to comment as I focus through the AZW to isandlwana, and even through that to the fugitives trail. And have done for 40 odd years.
So if I was an ENT specialist I suppose you could say Im focused on the left nostril......bottom end.
:lol!:

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Miniature Natal Zulu Rebellion Medal Clasp 1906 silver

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PostSubject: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptyWed Jun 22, 2011 3:16 am

Hi all.
If anyone is interested in this medal I can tell you that in the Medal Yearbook 2008 , The clasped 1906 Miniature Medal was valued
at between 50- 65 Quid . Going back further in the 2001 Medal Yearbook the value was between 30-40 Quid .
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptyWed Jun 22, 2011 10:55 pm

Did they strike a 1906 medal. I thought Winston Churchill had opposed this stating that Natal was the hooligan of the British Empire and that if there was to be a meda they should emblazon it with a picture of Bambatha' severed head. I think the Natal Carbineers cut his head off his corpse to convince the Zulus and the rebels that Bambatha was truly dead.
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PostSubject: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptyThu Jun 23, 2011 6:43 am

Hi Eric.
They certainly have a 1906 clasp for the medal according to the medal year book . They also have a figure in brackets alongside
the clasp which is 8,000 and another bracketed figure next to the No Clasp 2,000 . I assume these are the numbers that were struck.
Apparently the N.C did indeed take off Bambatha's head to prove of his death .
cheers 90th.


ps. There is also a medal issued to Natal Naval Corps without clasp ( 67 ) , With Clasp 1906 ( 136 )
Hope this helps .
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PostSubject: Re: Zulu Rebellion .   Zulu Rebellion . EmptyThu Jun 23, 2011 7:03 am

90th

Just a small point of clarification .... The Natal Naval Corps was awarded the same medal as all other groups that qualified for it. For some reason, the Medal Yearbook has always listed the Natal Naval Corps medals separately and given them a higher value.

The medals with clasp were awarded to men who served for more than 50 days, while those without clasp went to men who served for 20 to 50 days.

This medal was awarded by the Government of the Colony of Natal and, since no Imperial soldiers took part in the Rebellion, it is a 'British' medal that was not awarded to any British troops.

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Hi Brett.
Thanks for clearing that up , much appreciated.
cheers 90th.
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