Officers with Chelmsford’s column.

Subject: Officers with Chelmsford’s column. Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:18 am

Does anyone know how many officers took part in the 1st invasion into Zululand? The reason I'm asking, I'm trying to find out how many officers went with Lord Chelmsford when he left Isandlwana to chase the Zulu.

Subject: officers with chelmford Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:18 am

hi littlehand

with regard to officers in the first invasion ,do you mean all the columns officers , or just the officers in number 3 column, which chelmsford accompanied , under the command of GLYNN.

CHEERS 90TH.

Subject: Re: Officers with Chelmsford’s column. Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:48 pm

My Apologies 90th. My question is how many officers accompanied Chelmsford after he left Isandlwana to find the Zulus.

Subject: chelmsfords officers. Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:05 pm

hi littlehand.

i will do some searching , hopefully one of us can answer this for you.

cheers 90th.

Subject: officers with chelsford Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:56 pm

hi littlehand.

went through what i have , all i could find was that chelmsford left with his headquarters staff to meet up and support DARTNELL and LONSDALE. i hope pete (admin) or s.d. can find something. i know julien whybra has a book about ISANDLWANA survivors , but it may only focus on those that were unlucky enough to have been left behind at 4.30 am on that fateful day .

cheers 90th.

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I’m not sure which officers advanced to the Mangeni Falls with Chelmsford. You could try the following reference books Julian Whybra (England’s Sons) Or the Noble 24th by Norman Holme. There is also they Fell like stones, but there are lots of discrepancies. So I would stick with the others.

S.D

Subject: Re: Officers with Chelmsford’s column. Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:24 pm

Not an easy question. But go with the books S.D as recommended. I will research for you. But it won’t be quick time.

Subject: officers with chelmsford Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:57 am

hi littlehand.

i have the answer you are looking for , courtesy of S.D."S post. according to " THE NOBLE 24TH by NORMAN HOLME.
STATE OF THE TROOPS UNDER THE IMMEDIATE CONTROL OF LORD CHELMSFORD AT THE TIME OF THE BATTLE OF ISANDLWANA. PAGE 380- 381. there are 89 officers listed this does not include chelmsford. it includes all imperial , police, volunteer, n.n.c.
cheers 90th.

Subject: Re: Officers with Chelmsford’s column. Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:45 am

Thanks for you replies. However I don’t have any of these books. Pete if you could research it would be appreciated. Time is not an issue. Off to bed (Good Night/ Day

Subject: officers with chelmsford Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:05 am

hi all,

if anyone has a copy of THE NOBLE 24TH , and a scanner , if you can scan pages 380 ,381. this will give littlehand a detailed list of names, rank ,and their units which they commanded, when off at mangeni, as i said earlier there are 89 officers listed, that were with chelmsford.

cheers 90th.

Guest

Hi Littlehand,

Check your e-mails, I've just sent you scanned copies of the pages, sorry but I don't have time to copy it all out.

Cheers
Bookworm.

Subject: officers with chelmsford Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:38 pm

hi littlehand.

not knowing your financial situation i had a look on the net for THE NOBLE 24TH ( ISBN 1902366042 ) . found that the cheapest copy is available from the royal regt of wales online site for only 25 quid, on special from 35 quid. well and truly worth every cent , sorry , penny !

hope this helps 90th.

the link to the shop is on this site , not sure where .

cheers.

Subject: Re: Officers with Chelmsford’s column. Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:21 pm

" THE NOBLE 24TH by NORMAN HOLME."
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Number 1 Column - Order of Battle

The Narrative of the Field Operations Connected with the Zulu War gives the following order of battle for Colonel Pearson's command:
No 1 COLUMN Colonel Commanding : Col Pearson, 3rd Foot

STAFF
Orderly Officer . Lieutenant Knight, 3rd Foot
Principal Staff Officer .Brevet Col Walker CB, Scots Guards
General Staff Duties .Captain McGregor, 29th Foot
Transport Duties.Captain P Clarke, 103rd Foot
Senior Commissariat Officer.Assistant Commissary Heygat
Sub-District Paymaster. Paymaster Georges Senior
Medical Officer. Surgeon-Major Tarrant

CORPS
Royal Artillery, two 7 pdrs 11/7 RGA (mule). Lieutenant Lloyd
Royal Engineers, No 2 Company.Captain Wynne RE
2nd Battalion 3rd Foot Brevet. Lt-Col Parnell, 3rd Foot
99th Foot (6 companies) Lieutenant-Colonel Welman
Naval Brigade.Commander Campbell, RN
No 2 Squad, Mounted Infantry .Captain Barrow, 19th Hussars
Natal Hussars.Captain Norton
Durban Mounted Rifles.Captain Shepstone
Alexandra Mounted Rifles. Captain Arbuthnot
Stanger Mounted Rifles.Captain Addison
Victoria Mounted Rifles. Captain Saner
2nd Regiment Natal Native Contingent. Major Graves, 3rd Foot
Staff Officer .Captain Hart, 31st Foot
1st Battalion .Major Graves, 3rd Foot
2nd Battalion.Commandant Nettleton
No 2 Company Natal Native Pioneer Corps. Captain Beddoes

Subject: need help. Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:02 pm

hi all.

if anyone owns a copy of SURGICAL EXPERIANCES IN THE ZULU WAR AND TRANSVAAL WARS , 1879 AND 1881-1883. by DUGALD BLAIR BROWN. and you have a scanner , can you send me page 88 through private message, my copy does NOT have page 88 !!!!.

cheers 90th.

Subject: Re: Officers with Chelmsford’s column. Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:11 pm

90th have a look at this [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Subject: help arrived! Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:53 pm

hi pete.

thanks for the link , and the very quick response.

cheers 90th.

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90th the link posted by Pete. Is that the whole book, or just part off.

Subject: pete"s link Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:06 am

hi 24th.

yes , it appears all the text is there, but the plates - illustrations are not. i will try and find a cheap one and give you the address , i think i paid 10.00 U.S.DOLLARS.

CHEERS 90TH.

Subject: re -surgical exp. Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:33 am

hi 24th

if you are intersted in surg exp of the zulu and transvaal wars, i see betterworldbooks.com has it for $ 17.48 U.S. and there postal rates are by far the cheapest,
cheers 90th.

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Subject: page 88 Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:04 pm

hi graves,

thank you for the post, and welcome back.

cheers 90th.

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Great to see you back 1879 Graves. We was getting worried :)

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