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This can't be right, the book hasn't been out that long. Has it You need to study mo
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Hi John .
Its been out for at least a couple of years may have been released in 2009 or thereabouts , cant check mine as I'm not home at the moment . I paid 170 Canadian Dollars a couple of years back I think it was .
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Don't know John. I just posted a link.
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Hi All.
I just checked mine and it was released in 2011 !!!!!!! , I thought it was earlier !. scratch . It must have been very early in the year . Shocked Shocked Question
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I finally got acknowledged for my lion the regimental dog paper from the early 90's, thanks Harold E Raugh
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Considering I researched Lion the Regimental Dog of the 1/24th and had it published in the azwhs journal 3 of 3 FIRST, it's nice for an author to use the original source.
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Just skimming through the AZWHS journals was this..

Dogs of War by Ian Knight
Soldiers, it seems, love a pet, and certainly the British Army in the 1870s was no different. In
a male dominated environment, pets offer a reminder of finer feelings not often displayed in
an often harsh existence, reflecting a touch of humanity in contrast to the stresses of campaign
life. Hounds were, of course, a feature of the life of the gentry in Victorian times, particularly
those with country houses who indulged an interest in field spots, and many officers kept
dogs of one sort or another, and often took them to war with them. The Other Ranks were
seldom in a position to enjoy such luxuries, but often accumulated strays who were attracted
by the smells of the cook-house and who were then seduced away by proffered scraps of food.
Certainly the 2/24th
had found its fair share of pets during its time on the Eastern Cape
Frontier, but to the men’s disappointment they were ordered to leave them behind when
moving to Natal. Only Col. H.J. Degacher’s dog, a Dalmation named Flip, was excepted ;
Orders were issued that no dogs could be taken, because by this time many had been
collected by the men as pets.
We entrained and left for East London on the new railway, with perhaps forty dogs of
all breeds, sizes and colours galloping alongside the train, encouraged by the men
shouting, calling and cheering them on, and the dogs all barking and whining at being
left behind. The dogs gradually fell out or they became tired, until after a few miles the
only one left was Kreli the yellow dog, who continued to keep up with the train ‘midst
the cheers of the men, the barking of his chum Flip, who was on the train.
At last the Colonel ordered the train to be stopped for Kreli, and he was helped on to
rejoin Flip. The Colonel’s kind act was loudly cheered by everyone.1
Both Flip and Kreli remained with the battalion as it marched to join the Centre Column at
Helpmekaar, and no doubt a few others were picked up along the way; and there is no reason
to suppose that the 2nd 24th were any different to any other unit about to go to war. Certainly,
Surgeon Reynolds, of Rorke’s Drift fame, had his terrier Dick2 with him, and by the time the
Centre Column crossed into Zululand there were many other dogs with it.
The events of 22 January fell harshly on animals as well as men. In the fury of the closequarter
fighting at iSandlwana, the Zulus stabbed at anything that moved and men, oxen,
horses, mules and dogs were all killed. At Rorke’s Drift later that day, Surgeon Reynolds
tended the wounded with Jack barking at his side.
After the fighting, some of the dogs who had been in the camp at iSandlwana managed to
make their way back to Rorke’s Drift;
A few hours later Flip came into camp with a rope tied to his neck, and a severe spear
wound in the shoulder. Everyone crowded to see and to cheer Flip, the only living thing
[sic] to survive the battle where we lost a thousand killed that day.
Apparently after being wounded a Zulu led Flip off, and the dog broke away and
returned to his master. The yellow dog Kreli was not seen again. In the regiment Kreli
was not forgotten, we spoke of him affectionately for many years, this kindly common
Kaffir dog that we found in one war and lost in another.3
Flip was not the only canine survivor of the battle. The Graphic published a picture
of….
1
Account by Private Buckley of B Co 2/24th c. 1930, Events Remembered, Lugg Papers, Killie
Campbell Library, KwaZulu-Natal.
2 There is no doubt that the dog present in the battle at Rorke’s Drift was Reynolds’, although some
confusion remains about his name which is given variously as Dick or Jack. Since he seems to have
been a Jack Russell terrier - which may have confused the matter - I have preferred Jack.
3
Ibid.
a splendid animal, who was in the thick of the fight on January 22, and was fortunate
enough to escape from the carnage [and] belonged to the late Lieutenant Daly of the
24th Regiment, who was one of the victims of that disaster. ’Don’ is still suffering from
two large assegai wounds inflicted by the Zulus, and he will probably carry his
honorable scars to the end of his life.4
There is a distinct possibility that ’Don’ is a mis-transcription of ’Lion’, the 1/24th’s dog, a
known survivor of iSandlwana who today has an impressive memorial in County Kilkenny in
Ireland5
.
Other survivors were not so lucky. Many ran away, terrified no doubt by the sound of
battle, and returned to iSandlwana to find their masters dead. With no one to feed them, they
survived by eating the carrion left on the field. According to Lt. Maxwell of the NNC, their
end was a sorry one;
About half a mile from the camp [Rorke’s Drift] I was attacked by a pack of dogs about
20, consisting of various breeds. Newfoundlands, pointers, Setters, terriers etc a few
with collars. These were the dogs that had belonged to the camp at Isandhlwana and
having lost their masters, and been in the fighting, had become wild and although I
tried, by calling them and whistling, could not quiet them, they followed still barking
and howling some 3 or 400 yards, when they left me. These were shot at different times
with very few exceptions afterwards.6
Indeed, the luckless Army dogs were destined to share their masters’ fortunes throughout
the war. Arriving at the site of the Ntombe disaster on 12 March, Major Tucker of the 80th
Regiment noted that in addition to the soldiers the Zulus had ‘killed all the dogs save one, and
that we found with an assegai wound right through its neck.’
7 When the Prince Imperial rode
out on his last fatal patrol from the Thelezeni camp on 1 June the party was accompanied by a
pet belonging to Bettington’s Horse; the dog, too, was killed alongside the Prince in the
skirmish later that day. At the battle of Ulundi on 4 July the regimental mascot of the 17th
Lancers, a big cross-breed, distinguished itself at the end of the battle by running around in
the long grass, sniffing out wounded Zulus and barking it them, drawing them to the attention
of parties of auxiliaries who were killing any who showed signs of life.
Dogs appear in many of the photos of British troops taken on campaign, particularly
officer groups. An unnamed dog sits at the feet of a study of officers of HMS Active, another
beside officers of the 91st Regiment, another nestles on the lap of an officer of the 90th, while
no less than three appear in a photograph of D Company of the 1/13th Regiment. Commandant
Pieter Raaff was photographed standing beside his horse - and two impressive hounds.
One question about the ’dogs of war’ in Zululand remains; who is the dog in the famous
photograph of B Company, 2/24th, taken at Pinetown at the end of the war? It has often been
identified as Pip, a terrier belonging to Lt. Bromhead’s senior officer in B Company, Captain
A.G. Godwin-Austen. Godwin-Austen was wounded on the Cape Frontier and when he
returned to England apparently left Pip with Bromhead. Yet the dog in the photo appears to be
a spaniel, not a terrier, and he sits beside a private soldier, not Bromhead. Pip, indeed, was
probably left at the Eastern Cape, when only Flip and the ill-fated Kreli were allowed to
accompany the battalion to Natal. Whoever the dog in the photo is, he was probably picked
up by the company along the way of its travels after Rorke’s Drift.
Note; This article is extracted from the author’s A Companion to the Anglo-Zulu War,
recently published by Pen and Sword Books.
The above from the AZWHS Journal 24.
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All I'm saying is I published and researched the subject first back in early 95 before Ian knight or anyone else for that matter and that I'm happy it's been used in harold e raugh Jr's book.
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Lion1/24th,

I think you might be confusing the former Anglo-Zulu War Research Society with the Anglo Zulu War Historical Society.

As far as I can recall we published your text in the Journal. Volume 3, Issue 3.

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I was in the AngloZulu zulu war research society John, that's why I know you published it first and not the other group.
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Sorry Lion1/24, my post was not meant to mislead... i'm sure you are
rightly proud of your contribution. xhosa2000
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Hi Kevin,

I was merely correcting your post of 1:40pm, where you state your article was published by the AZWHS, rather than the former A-ZWRS.

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Thanks John
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