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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 11:39 am

Pascal
No error...read my post above: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:00 pm
By the way Pascal, you asked me some time to find out where Prince Napoleon visited some wounded AZW men (incl a few French). It was Utrecht about 4th May. Who the French were, goodness knows! Perhaps they were Anglo-French, Channel Islanders, or Natalians of French extraction.
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Graham Alexander used my 4th edition to help compile his list according to his acknowledgements. The 7th edition is available from Bill Cainan at the Brecon Museum.
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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 12:15 pm

Hi Julian

Ok Julian, say Hayes was too celebrated the Reveillon ,the December 31, 1878 ...

Another one of those tales and legends of the Zulu War ...

Anglo-French !!! This must be horrible to be for the zulus ,that kind of creatures Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 9:56 pm

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Hello to all Julian write
"The notion Zulus That Would have captured a man and let him go is simply not on."
Error my dear Julian, look Grandier ...
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Grandier wasn't released, he escaped. He was being taken to a place of execution.
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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:08 pm

Woundn't trust most of his story Suspect


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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:21 pm

DB14

There is nothing wrong under the pretext that it is not a British ...

This guy took a chance, courage, will and physical strength unheard, to succeed to survive ...

If he was British, he would have had its weight in Victoria Cross ...

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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:26 pm

It was said it didn't happen, he made it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:57 pm

Bonjour petites mains

Chauvinism and jealousy,Grandier and Vereker are the two greatest heroes of this war ...

In fact, all the French in the war were in the irregulars colonial cavalry of the fourth column and when you see what happened to Hlobane, it is certain that all these French were hero of this war..


Bonne journée petites mains,moi je m'endore

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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyThu Mar 14, 2013 4:57 pm

posted by 90th in the Trooper Charlie Sparks topic.

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Stafford and Newnham - Davis reached Pietermaritzburg at 7 on thursday evening , the 24th of Jan. Utterly exhausted and semi hysterical , they sought out Sir Bartle Frere , who had already received an unconfirmed report . Trooper Charlie Sparks of the NMP -he who had stopped at Rorke's Drift - had ridden cross country past Helpmakaar before swinging into the Border road . Stafford and Newnham - Davis were ahead of him , but Sparks had encountered an officer of the 2 / 4 th who , with a fresh horse , had beatem them all into town , alerting Bulwer and Frere before he left to rejoin his regiment .

Could Sparks be the man????
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Thank you for picking up on this. It's very kind of you. However, there's inaccurate newspaper reporting here for Sparks's OWN account states that he crossed at Fugitives' Drift where he saved Kincade, then rode cross-country direct to Helpmekaar (not stopping at RD), and thence hell for leather to PMB.


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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyThu Mar 14, 2013 6:57 pm

Well you never know whats around the corner... one needs to look down every avenue!!!

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Sparks's OWN account states that he crossed at Fugitives' Drift where he saved Kincaid, then rode cross-country direct to Helpmekaar (not stopping at RD), and thence hell for leather to PMB.

I have not seen this account, so can't comment...
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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 8:23 am

There are three:
Clements p.63
Natal Mercury 29.1.1929
Holt p.71
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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 8:55 am

Alas ,Rorcke's Drift always miss at the history of the Natal Carbineer in the zulu war...
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PostSubject: Re: Natal Carbineer at RD   Natal Carbineer at RD - Page 3 EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 5:49 pm

Thank you Julian agree
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