A SMALL QUIZ!!! Name them if you can, most of us know them!!!

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no. 34 - Lt TLG Griffiths, youngest officer of the 24th to die at iSandlwana.

Subject: A Small Quiz Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:25 am

No 14. A brave and honourable man that was made into the scapegoat, Col Durnford. Salute

Just to help.
1 Mostyn
12 younghusband
26 Pullen
33 Anstey
38 pope
39 Atkinson
40 Bloomfield
42 Daly
45 Hodgson
46 Francis White
48 Dyson
51 Godwen Austin
53 Pulleine

Nice one OH

1. Capt William Mostyn
2. Lt Neville Coghill
4. Capt William Wyatt-Edgell 17th Lrs
8. Capt. George Wardell
16. Capt Robert Barton
21. Ly Fred Frith 17thLrs
23. Lt Reginald Franklin
45. Lt George Hodson
52. Lt Henry Dyer
54. Lt Wililam Vereker NNC

11 Moriaty
19 Dunbar???//
36 Francis McDowell

3. Capt Walter Lawrell, 4th Hrs
31. Bonaparte, Prince Imperial

5. M. Stourton
6. G.E. Campbell
7.C.C. Williams
9. W.R.C. Wynne
10. H.R.Gough
18.F.B. Russell
19.S.Stuart
20.F. Nicolson
24.A.W. Hall
25.C.E. Mason
32.F.V. Northey
37.Mynors
41.G.R.J. Evelyn
44.G.A.Pardoe

1 Mostyn
2. Lt Neville Coghill
3. Lawrell
4. William Wyatt-Edgell
5. Stourton
6. R.G.E. Campbell
7.C.C. Williams
8. Capt. George Wardell
9. W. Wynne
10. H.Gough
11 Moriaty
12 Younghusband
13 Captain George Sandham
14 Col A Durnford
15 Captain Herbert John Mainwaring Willaims
16. Capt Robert Barton
17 Lieutenant William Irvine D'ARCY
18.F.B. Russell
19.S.Stuart
20.F. Nicolson
21. Ly Fred Frith 17thLrs
22 Lt Henry Hardy
23. Lt Reginald Franklin
24.A.W. Hall
25.C.E. Mason
26 Pullen
27 Lt Arthur Davison
28 Lt Arthur Tyndall Bright
29 Lt James Henry Scott Douglas
30 Lt John Thirkill
31. Prince Imperial
32.F.V. Northey
33 Anstey
34 Sub Lt Thomas Griffith
35 Lt George Hodson
36 Francis McDowell
37.Mynors
38 pope
39 Atkinson
40 Bloomfield
41.G.R.J. Evelyn
42 2nd Lt George Rowley John Evelyn
43 Lt James Daly
44.G.A.Pardoe
45 Hodgson
46 Francis White
47 Assistant Commissary Thomas Alderton
48 Dyson
49 Lt Orderly Jeremiah Troy
50 Deputy Commissary Stephen Phillmore
51 Godwen Austin
52. Lt Henry Dyer
53 Pulleine
54. Lt S Vereker

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Dam!!! You just beat me to it.

24th wrote:: Dam!!! You just beat me to it.

Doh, me too! LH is such a party pooper!
I was hoping to get stuck into the rest today. Looks like I 'll have to go and find something else to do - any cricket on?

Subject: A Small Quiz Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:06 pm

Hi Tasker.

Just seen your post.

If you are interested in the IPL (Indian Premier League), then go to ITV4, it's just starting.

It's T20 (20 overs per side), and they play in the coloured clothing that look like jimjams (pyjama's).

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THanks for the tip Martin, but I have tried to watch IPL before, but I find it over stimulating. I am sure you kjnow what I mean. Had a nice long bike ride instead!

And thanks for the Quiz OH2 - let's have some more! Salute

One more picture to identify though - who is the lad in your avatar?

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It's none other than "Edmund John Fowler VC"

He was around 18 years old, and a Private in the 2nd Battalion, 90th Regiment of Foot (Perthshire Volunteers), British Army during the Zulu War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.

On 28 March 1879 at the Battle of Hlobane, South Africa, Private Fowler, with a captain and a lieutenant (Henry Lysons) dashed forward in advance of the party which had been ordered to dislodge the enemy from a commanding position in natural caves up the mountain. The path was so narrow that they had to advance in single file and the captain who arrived first at the mouth of the cave was instantly killed. The lieutenant and Private Fowler undismayed by the death of their leader, immediately sprang forward and cleared the enemy out of their stronghold. agree

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Excellent!!! Mad

Back to the drawing board, for another agree

LH . How did you manage to get them all correct...

Subject: A Small Quiz Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:22 pm

I wonder why Fripp painted a lad that was not even in the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, but in the 90th (Perthshire Volunteers), and was not even at iSandlwana?

Why didn't Fripp paint this brave lad showing the action that he won his VC for, seems rather odd that he should portray this young chap as a member of the doomed 24th at iSandlwana, when he could have portrayed him in his actual role as a Victoria Cross winner at Hlobane?

Strange indeed, unless he had some other motive for doing this, but what I wonder. scratch

old historian2 wrote:: Excellent!!! Back to the drawing board, for another

LH . How did you manage to get them all correct...

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Subject: A Small Quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:02 am

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Nice one LH, nothing like a spot swatting up first You need to study mo

to get the answers right. Very Happy

Subject: A small quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:35 am

Impi I have never heard of that story ! . As far as I'm aware the Fripp painting is possibly of Clr Sgt Wolfe and his men , how , or more to the point , show me where its written or described , that it's supposed to be Fowler , of the 90th Regt , who earnt his VC at Hlobane not Isandlwana

. Also the Lad in Fripps painting is about 12 or 13 , Fowler was 18 at the time of Hlobane when he earnt his VC. There is quite a bit of difference between a 13 yr old to an 18 yo !! . I am eagerly awaiting your reply with evidence to prove its Fowler ! . I thought you were actually joking at first ! Joker

.............still do ! Shocked

. Very happy to be enlightened and thoroughly corrected .
Cheers 90th.

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A pretty good description of the painting.

Ive never heard the decription offered impi and would really benefit from knowing where it comes from. I would agree with 90th and Emma Mardsley that the 'Drummer' depicted is 12 or 13.

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90th, Springy, thanks for your help and guidance in answering my question,
I certainly agree that the boy in Fripp's picture is only 10-12 years old. As Emma Mardsley describes him, he is just "a drummer boy," added to the scene by Fripp "for dramatic effect." As she states, the average age of a drummer boy in the 24th at iSandlwana was in fact 24, but Fripp has added him in for effect, based no doubt on the drummer boy rumours that were perpetuated in the days following the battle.

Subject: A Small Quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:32 am

Now that is more like it, the 'little lad' was added in by Fripp for dramatic effect (much like the bandage around the head of the lance sergeant).

I thought it didn't make much sense portaying a young lad who wasn't at iSandlwana, and who was also in another regiment (90th Perthshire Volunteers), and who won a VC at Hlobane. It just didn't make sense depicting this brave young fellow as one of the doomed 24th at iSandlwana, when in actual fact he won a VC at Hlobane.

I wonder if there is a painting of this gallant young chap showing him winning his VC at Hlobane, does anyone know?

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Subject: A small quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:45 am

Hi Martin.
I still think Impi may , or I hope was joking Rolling Eyes

! . Dont know where he got that information from for that story he posted ! scratch

There is indeed a picture of Fowler earning his VC , I'll search and post it when I find it .
Cheers 90th. Salute

Subject: A Small Quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:01 am

Hi Gary me old wombat, :p;:

Thanks for the info mate.

Yes, I don't know where impi got that from, but it did seem rather odd for Fripp to depict a VC winner as one of the doomed 24th at iSandlwana.

Thanks mate, if you find the picture, I will be very grateful. agree

Are you watching the Pyjama Game buddy, :p;:

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Subject: A small quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:03 am

Here you go Martin me old mate ! . This is the cover of a book by James Bancroft . Capt Campbell is laying dead in the foreground shot through the head at the Cave mouth , Sub Lt Lysons in the Blue Patrol Jacket and Pvt Fowler in the Red Serge Coat . This book is way to expensive , if you wish to buy it search around , I have it and I wouldnt say it was compulsory reading but that is only my own humble opinion ! Very Happy

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Cheers me old china ! 90th.

Subject: A Small Quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:31 am

Thanks Gary, much appreciated.

I am now off to watch the pyjama game (IPL).

Catch you later pal.

Martin. Salute

Subject: A small quiz Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:34 am

HI Martin.
Here is the full size picture .

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Cheers 90th Salute

Thanks for the link 90th, the painting and picture are quite emotive - a brave man.
Fowler'sVC action is very similar to the cave clearing action which Henry Harford performed at Sihayo's kraal. Some commentators believe Henry Harford should have won the VC, particularly as he carried out a second, similar and equally courageous action some weeks later up in the Matshanas.

90th wrote:: Hi Martin.
I still think Impi may , or I hope was joking ! . Dont know where he got that information from for that story he posted !
There is indeed a picture of Fowler earning his VC , I'll search and post it when I find it .
Cheers 90th.

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90th, Martin.. Looks like i misread a question, I thought the question was relating to LittleHands avatar, Not Old H.

Subject: A Small Quiz Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:58 pm

Hi impi.

Don't worry mate, the man that can't make a mistake can't do anything, and we all make mistakes, so no problems buddy.

But I did think it was a bit odd that Fripp should portay a VC winner as a member of the doomed 24th at iSandlwana.

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Subject: A Small quiz .... Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:53 am

Hi Impi.
We all make make mistakes , I made one once ! :p;:
90th. Salute

Sure, we all make mistakes and I have no issue with posters making mistakes. I've certainly made my share!
However, if you're going to butt into a discussion, do have the courtesy to first, read the previous posts in order that you at least understand what is being spoken about, and, leave the poor attitude out of it. Wink

90th
So did I but she gets really upset if I remind her.

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I can't see where Impi has shown a bad attidude scratch

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