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PostSubject: Maj. Dunbar & Chelmsford   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 12:14 am

There appears to have been a confrontation between Major Dunbar & Lord Chelmsford with regards to the Defense of the camp at Isandlwana. 




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PostSubject: Re: Maj. Dunbar & Chelmsford   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 1:17 am

what,when,who, i have
no knowledge of this.
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PostSubject: Re: Maj. Dunbar & Chelmsford   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 6:05 am

Smith Dorrien quotes a conversation with a staff office, possibly Dunbar, complaining about the camp location. But I don't recollect a direct confrontation between Chelmsford and Dunbar. Let us in on the secret LH.

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PostSubject: Maj Dunbar & LC.   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 6:10 am

Littlehand / xhosa
I'm sure I've posted this a long time ago , I dont think it was LC , I think Crealock had a go at Dunbar , who was showing some concern on the poor camping site that was picked earlier in the invasion. It got to the point I think Dunbar even offered his resignation ! , it was LC who talked him out of it If I remember it correctly .
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Yep remember that one, Crealock basically accusing Dunbar of cowardice, that was on the Bashee camp while building the crossing.

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PostSubject: Maj Dunbar & Chelmesford    Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 6:33 am

Hi Springy .
Agreed , seems as if there is a tad more speculation in the opening post , unless of course Littlehand has some primary source evidence to back up this claim ? . I cant remember ever reading of a confrontation between Dunbar & LC. Happy to be corrected .
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PostSubject: Re: Maj. Dunbar & Chelmsford   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 12:01 pm

springbok9 wrote:
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Yep remember that one, Crealock basically accusing Dunbar of cowardice, that was on the Bashee camp while building the crossing.

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...and a confrontation in the Isandhlwana camp with an "officer of the staff" (not named), about the piquet.
Source (from memory): "Historical records of the 24th from its formation ..." by Paton, Glennie...
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PostSubject: Re: Maj. Dunbar & Chelmsford   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 2:31 pm

Is this the quote ymob?

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Thanks for replies, clears that up.
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PostSubject: Re: Maj. Dunbar & Chelmsford   Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyTue Oct 29, 2013 4:22 pm

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Is this the quote ymob?

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Hi Rusteze,

Yes!
There are many books and essays on the subject:
For example:
-"the staff officer was apparently CLERY, and the field officer Dunbar (...)".
Source:"Zulu Rising" by Ian Knight (p.256).

-"the field officer was evidently Dunbar"
Source : "Isandlwana: Laagering and the Dunbar factor" by Adrian Greaves (essay).
But the primary source is " historical records of the 24th regiment..."

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PostSubject: Maj Dunbar & Chelemsford    Maj. Dunbar  & Chelmsford EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 1:24 am

Typing  Dunbar in the search box may produce the more detailed account that I'm certain I posted on here a long time ago You need to study mo 
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