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PostSubject: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 8:42 pm

What are "Rifle Nipples"  Question does anyone have a photo and diamentions !
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 9:13 pm

John  Salute  think muzzle loader..ie, Brown Bess.
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 9:25 pm

Can you elaborate !
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 9:36 pm

yes i can.. go on google. type in rifle nipples,
like i did..then knock yourself out!  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 9:47 pm

John take no notice. Neil will help out.
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 9:48 pm

Chard1879 wrote:
John take no notice. Neil will help out.

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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 10:08 pm

John, not MH, but I'm guessing possibly the same or as near as damm it!

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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 10:12 pm

Thanks LH, That would make sense, in that Rifle Nipples were found in the captured cannons from Isandlwana. We know Smith never had time to spike the cannon's but I'm guessing he may have had time to drop these in.
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 10:15 pm

sorry, you misunderstand! i meant ' knock your self out '
as..enjoy! communication error! good evening chard1879.  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyThu Feb 06, 2014 10:19 pm

Would spare nipples, have been available in the event one's in use were damaged?
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyFri Feb 07, 2014 8:16 am

OK in basic terms rifle nipples are mainly for percussion weapons - Brown Besses were flintlocks and didn't use them as an ignition system - so basically they would have been from Enfields and similar period guns - the Snider sort of used something similar but with a sprung firing pin rather than the "top hat" cap used to ignite the Enfields. The Martini didn't have that firing system at all.

There is no evidence to suggest that gunners spiked the guns at Isandlwana nor would  it be logical to do so - after all if you had got away you might have wanted to use the guns to cover others retreats etc - it is more likely that the Nipples were used by Zulus to try and get the guns to fire in lieu of friction tubes (given a rudimentary idea of firing systems a big gun works the same as my old trade musket so this should work then????) and they would have tried them to see if they could get a bang out of the guns.

John - in Regular use in the 1850's spare nipples would have been carried on the front line by Sgts - they were also issued with an armourers tool to replace them - by this period the guns around using them would be 20 years obsolete and either in the hands of the NNC, a few colonials or the Zulus as trade pieces
so doubt whether many were kicking about spare and certainly not in the pocket of an regular artilleryman.  

My Zulu Brown Bess has been converted from flint to percussion with an 1872 Enfield lock and then probably sold to the Zulus in the build up to the outbreak of the War when the country was awash with cheap, poor quality, obsolete firearms.

Hope some of that helps - atb Tim
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyFri Feb 07, 2014 10:16 pm

Thanks Tim. This is what led me to ask the question below. Do these rifle nipples standout or would it require someone with knowledge to extract the nipple.

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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptySat Feb 08, 2014 7:42 am

Here is the nipple from an Enfield Rifle, they were designed to unscrew for maintaining the rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: MH Rifle Nipples   MH Rifle Nipples EmptyMon Feb 10, 2014 8:27 pm

Would they not have fell though the fuse hole into the barrel.  Question 
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