Adding to the Library

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:34 pm

Great find Steve, as you say large scale maps are invaluable.
And while on holiday I picked up The place of the Elephant 1st ed. Its the history of Pietermaritzburg by Ruth Gordon. I found it in a small bookshop with a half a dozen other AZW books, The illustrated by Ron and Peter, Vol3 James Stuart Archives and Marching over Africa by Frank Emery.
Because I took the whole lot he threw in an interesting book by Thomas Pakenham that I didn't even know he had written: The Year of Liberty, The story of the Irish rebellion of 1798.

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The Pakenhams are quite a family. I worked for Thomas's brother Michael Pakenham for a while and his sister is of course Antonia Fraser. His elder brother Patrick was evidently somewhat boisterous. As a defence lawyer in a drugs trial he was asked by an irascible but expert judge to pass him the package that had been found.The judge proceeded to try it, exclaiming that it was indeed cannabis. And where was it found asked the judge - in the defendant's anus said Pakenham.

Steve

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:41 pm

That's made my day Steve, well done. Very Happy

Subject: Adding to the library Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:01 pm

Hi Steve

cheers mate
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This is a rare beast.
Just after our war but I cannot resist maps. It was produced by the Intelligence Division of the War Office in preparation for the Boer War and, as you can see, it was marked Secret.
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The information was compiled by intelligence officers, much of the time working incognito. This small section on Klerksdorp (south east of Johannesburg) gives a flavour of what they recorded.
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This section was compiled by Capt. H P Northcott of the Leinster Regiment and shows how it was done. On a bike and cross-country!
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Chelmsford could have done with something similar. I have visions of Durnford touring Zululand on his bike.

Steve

Subject: Adding to the Library Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:01 pm

Steve , good one mate .
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Hope you enjoy it Steve, Empire Books, in york have
lots of pp's, i got a run of eight re the Bhambata
rebellion just before christmas, i have only a few on
the second boer war, just to wide a subject for me.
its nice to hold history in your hand.

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Yes they are a good source. Don't they have a complete AZW run for £900? Sounds a lot but hard to put together otherwise. I got lucky with the IUP volumes. I only venture into the Boer War material if its map based.

Steve

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Yes your right about that, they are a bit pricey, but chock
full of information,same for me re the 2BW, but could not
resist the surgical experiences in south africa by Makins,
mint volume, cheap as chips.

Subject: Adding to the library Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:33 am

I've managed to pick up David Clammer's ' The Last Zulu Warrior ' for about 15 GBP's , try and beat that bargain guys ! Joker

It was supposed to be 25 GBP's still a remarkable bargain , but the seller owed me a credit and took quite a lot off it , I dont think she realised how expensive it is to get ! . I think the cheapest I found ( before this one ) was 90 + GBP's Shocked

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Well Gary, here it is on a sunday evening and i have only
just seen your post about this..and of course i wish i had
not, fifteen bloody quid?. what about condition, dw, and
slipcase?. what were they limited to, i cant remember off
hand 850 standard!. i feel sick. Wink

Subject: Adding to the Library Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:44 pm

Hi Les
It had some dry mould on the inside cover , a smaller amount on the back inside cover , no DJ , but the pages are 100% as is the binding , I was very happy with it , it hasn't graced my doorstep as yet , flying in from S.A. , some people are never quite aware of what they are selling at times You need to study mo

, luckily for me .
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Well as i always say, its going to a good home..its a massive
book and the quality of the paper and illustrations will please
you i hope, some dismiss it as a source but i think they miss
the point!. carry on mate building your africana collection. Salute

Fifteen Quid, your a jammy sod.

Subject: Adding to the Library Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:27 pm

I also recently picked up J.L.Smails' ' With Shield And Assegai ' for only 16 GBP's which included Postage , and the massive book ' Ashes And Blood - The British Army In South Africa 1795- 1914 by Boydon , Guy & Harding for only 17 or so GBP's , which also included Postage , it's bloody heavy , postage should've cost me more than nearly double what I paid for the whole sale ! Shocked

. Safe to say I've had some luck recently in the book market , they are not easy to come by and '' nice '' prices ! LOL Salute

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Yeah mate you are on a lucky streak, i bought the Ashes when it came
out from waterstones, they only had the one copy, thumbed, and the
cheeky sods still charged me fifty quid..but as you see what a cracking
book. Smail has a few out along the same lines, i love the fact that he
has chockered it with so many illustrations.. its like having old friends
around you.well, that's maybe just me. Very Happy

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Well done Gary. Ashes and Blood is excellent and so was the exhibition. I bought mine at the NAM which incidentally, is going to be fantastic when it reopens. My daughter visited the design consultancy that is carrying out the changes and saw the new designs. The displays are themed with the ribbon colours of the various campaigns. Can't wait.

Steve

Subject: Adding to the Library Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:55 pm

Agree Les 100 % about the Smail book / s , full of photographs , and yes when I see the older photo's of where I've stood , it does give me a sense of accomplishment ! , a warm glowing feeling ! LOL .
Steve
I cant wait to visit the new NAM , I'll be going to the UK once its up and running , is it reopening in 2017 ?
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Late 2016 I think.
Steve

Subject: Adding to the Library Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:05 pm

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Surprising what turns up when you least expect it. Picked up this morning from a local book fair. Read the quote under the photo of Bishop Colenso. First edition and scarce - and just a tenner!

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Good pick steve!
Sometimes I would like to live in Great Britain...
Cheers

Frédéric

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:21 pm

Frederic,

If you need a book in French I do have one for sale Le Prince Imperial (1856-1879) by Augustine Filon, published in Paris in 1912.

It does have Louis in a ~~pooh hat~~ busby.

Let me know and I put it in the for sale section.

John Y.

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Err hang on there JY, no need to do that, if i could
have second dibs after Frederic, of course, you let
me know either way, i have them all, but the French
edition pique's me..( see what i did there Very Happy

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Subject: Adding to the Library Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:18 pm

Excellent find Steve , well done ....again ! agree

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Mr Young,
Thank you very much for your offer, but I have a copy of "Le Prince Impérial, souvenirs et documents" by Augustin Filon.
In France, there are not books written by modern French authors (except a comic "Zululand") or books from English and South-African authors translated in French about the Zulu war (except David Clammer, "La Guerre des Zoulous").
It's the reason why I have to study the Zulu war in English...It's not a whim or a caprice, I take no pleasure (and I have no talent) for learning foreign languages.
Cheers
Frédéric

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I'm pleased with my last few..the Brown especially the
condition, the instructions are for my son's, in order to
give them a clue, great get on the Colenso, agreed. the
Debrett's is interesting lots of bio's of the guys we know.

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Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:38 am

Im in the UK for a few days next month, hoping to get to a few bookshops, as well as Brecon.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:13 pm

Les the Brown makes an excellent pairing with Kens latest.
Cheers

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:36 pm

Frank,

If I can butt in there.

How could you mock poor fellows thus?. Nearly the Bard's coming & going day.

Most of us are interested in getting Ken's book coughed up the asking price months ago, and we are still waiting. I don't where the breakdown is or why.

Stephen Coan did a recent review of it and I mentioned the same to him. My copy was paid for back in December and nearly six months on, I still have got a clue when I might get it.

Moan over, Ken if you are reading this and able to advise please let us know.

John Y.

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Ditto. Last promise was end of March, but I don't think they have a clue. There is now one on ABE in the US at twice the price.

Steve

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:18 pm

Really?
I had mine, Ahem, in November, excellent book it is as well. And theres more.............Signed by the Author and its number 21.
Not that I wish to brag that is.

PS Try igobooks.co.za and get it within 14 days.

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Roger that Frank, spending some time comparing the
two is what i'm anticipating, yes i'm well jel, but its
only fair that you got first go, johnny on the spot and
all that. i have read coan's review as well i'm a bit
disappointing about the lack of text..i'm sure that was
an end product price thingy, but having it is the thing..
though like most collectors it will pall soon enough and
i will be on to the next ' get '. it will become like an old
mistress that one no longer feels inclined to stroke and
pet as often as one used to..

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:37 pm

It really is a visual book, unless you are 100% familiar with the territory your not going to know where the shots are from so the rather scarce descriptions mean nothing. The beauty of the book as you intimate are the comparisons between the paintings and the photos and quite frankly the accuracy of old Crealock. His paintings are brilliant pieces of draftmanship and the fact that Ken could run them all down is just as brilliant. Some of the photos open whole avenues of thought and study, your very aufait with the goings on so you will pick up on the nuances very quickly. A classic example is the famous 'from my tent door' sketch of isandlwana camp. When you see the photo comparison you will be amazed how far down the slope from the mountain the HQ tents were. People tend to think of the camp being hard up under the mountain. That particular shot will blow your mind.

Cheers

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:40 pm

For those American members of the forum Walmart - of all stores - is retailing the book at the bargain price of $111.

JY

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:02 am

Frank,

Bum steer with igobooks.co.za who will not despatch it internationally according to their website.

John Y.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:14 am

I will give them a call.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:27 am

JY
Ive just spoken to Carrey at the publishers, shes sending me details of the UK agents and also the USA contacts. As soon as I have the e mail I will post it.
Incidently she mentioned another small book by Ron Lock called Tales of the old East Coast. Very little to do with 1879 but it looks a treasure trove of old stories. Its around GBP10 so well worth a punt.
Cheers

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:01 pm

Frank,

Thanks for the heads-up on Ron's book.

I imagine the UK agents will be Casement, who are the one most of us, I believe, have orders placed with.

Regards,

John Y.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:03 pm

Hi John
Yes it is casement, Carrey cant understand why there is a delay as they are sending batches of on a regular basis. Possibly a phone call to Casement and if required I will follow up in Pinetown.

Cheers

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:42 pm

Frank,

If you tell Carrey, I have contacted Casement three times now.

The last time was about ten days ago, when I was told Ken's book had not yet been published. I told the girl I spoke to that had indeed been published. The payment was taken back in December, so I guess they are making a tidy sum in interest of the U.K. buyers' cash.

As I have moaned elsewhere in another place. The book was intended as a Christmas present, then as that date came and went maybe it could be a birthday present, but that came and went. Easter has been and gone, so maybe it will become an anniversary present in June! Who knows?

Maybe the publishers want to send me a review copy?

John Y.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:28 pm

JY
I have just sent an e mail to Carrie-Ann with a copy to Ken and yourself to see if she can assist with the Casement situation.

Frank

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Casemate UK <casemate-uk@casematepublishing.co.uk>
To l. j. knight Apr 4 at 10:36 AM
Hi Leslie,

Yes, this is the first edition of the book and you have paid the full amount for it. I believe it should be arriving in our warehouse soon and it will be sent out to you once it arrives in stock.

I hope that this helps, but if you have any questions, just let me know!

Best wishes,
Andy...

Of course that tells me nothing really!..and as a healthy dose of paranoia kicks in, a little
devil in my ear has whispered a couple of times..' its over subscribed '. i hope that is not the
case, and if so, they should give priority to the orders they received first..i would'nt mind but
this book is not cheap...

Your Invoice #100000124

Order #100000157

Item SKU Qty Subtotal
The Road to Ulundi Revisited 9781928211280 1 £70.00
Subtotal £70.00
Delivery £3.95
Grand Total £73.95..

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:48 pm

Frank,

Thanks for your assistance, hopefully a rocket might help this side of the pond. Otherwise pack a spare case with them on your trip. Confirm the receipt of the e-mail as well.

Les,

Tried to pm you re-Filon, please e-mail if you want it. More text and illustrations than the English edition.

John Y.

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Thanks JY, i will e you..

Admin..could you please review my pm situation. xhosa

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:39 pm

JY /Les/Steve
As received, hope it helps.

Hi Frank

There was a delay on the ordering side. Then the order was received but the first print run had sold out.
The order is on its way to the UK as I type.

Kind regards

Carrie Sanders
PR & Marketing Manager
iGo MyBook/iGo Books/30 Degrees South
t. 031 701 8019
c. 083 441 0742
www.igobooks.co.za
www.30degreessouth.co.za

Cheers

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:56 pm

Cheers Frank,

That is if the ship does not demast off of the Cape of Good Hope.

I take if the first print run has sold out is it no longer a limited edition?

John Y.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:18 pm

Interesting to see if you get a numbered copy? First edition is limited to 1000 copies.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:28 pm

Frank,

We were told five hundred rather than a thousand. If that is the case this misadvertising under U.K. Law and obviously an offence by the distributors.

Seriously disillusioned and extremely disappointed, and now considering cancelling the order and requesting my boys getting a refund on the purchase.

John Y.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:32 pm

JY
Seriously, it says very clearly" This Edition is limited to one thousand copies of which this is copy number............"

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:37 pm

Frank,

Here's the advertising from Casement:
• Collectors of military art booksLimited edition500 numbered copies signed by the author

Which is what we have paid £70 plus postage for.

John Y.

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