Adding to the Library

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Are these cd's still available and if so does anyone have a mail order address please ?
Thanks

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Good evening 90th..yeah there very well done, as i said its nice to put
them on in the background now and then!, yes of course some of you
guys will know Rob from your trips, so will have heard it from the
horses mouth so to speak, nice to have though. stay well mate.

dari1101, i'm sure there will be someone to answer that for you, as i
said they were privately published, and as usual there might be a few
spares kicking around. cheers xhosa

Subject: Adding to the Library Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:37 pm

Hi daril1101
Sometimes you may find them on ebay , Isandlwana Lodge had them for sale when I was there in May , but they don't have an online shopping page .
90th Salute

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Thank you I'll keep my eye open

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Hard to find even though it's not very old.
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Dedicated to Cpl William Wilson Allen VC and donated to Belford Middle School by (I think) Audrey Atkin.
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And here he is age 6 on the 1851 census for Belford Moor that she refers to.
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I am trying to establish whether "Audrey Atkin" is a descendant, but a little sad that the school should dispose of the book I think.

Steve

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:18 pm

Possibly Lee can shed some light on it

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:45 pm

It's right. Allan was born in Belford, Northumberland.
At the grand old age of 80 Audrey Atkin is alive and well and lives in Belford.
Google her and you can get contact details.

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From Bill Cainan..in another place..

A quick note to let you know that there is a new novel out on Isandlwana called "Brutal Valour" by an American called James Mace.

Ian knight and myself have done the proof reading to ensure he got both the Zulu and the military aspects correct.

A very good book and worth reading.

Thank you Bill.

The following blog i found most instructive, and very interesting.
i can only find copy's available on Kindle and Softback.. i will get
this book, i like the fact that the author goes into most detailed
methodical ( it seemed to me!. ) research of his various subject's.
so here we go again..has he found a new way of telling a very old
story.. i'm interested enough to find out.. anybody out there who
can dish the dirt on this guy?.

http://legionarybooks.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/new-book-project-brutal-valour-tragedy.html

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:53 am

https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t9130-brutal-valour

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:44 am

James Mace

Born in The United States
Websitehttp://www.legionarybooks.net
Writes Historical Fiction so far on the Romans and Wellington's campaign.
Influences claimed are C.S. Forester, William Altimari, George Shipway, Paul L. Maier

"James Mace developed his passion for history at a young age and has made Ancient Rome a life's study. He penned the initial draft of his first novel, "Soldier of Rome: The Legionary", as a cathartic means of escapism while serving with the U.S. Army in Iraq. He spent a career as a Soldier, and in 2011 left his full-time position with the Army National Guard to devote himself to writing.

His well received series, "Soldier of Rome - The Artorian Chronicles", is a perennial best-seller in ancient history on Amazon. With his other favourite period in history being the British Empire, his writing has branched into the Napoleonic Wars. He is currently working on a new trilogy about the Roman-Jewish War of 66 to 73 A.D., along with a side project about the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879."

He can be reached via his website: www.legionarybooks.net

Official Facebook page: www.facebook.com/legionarybooks

Blog: http://legionarybooks.blogspot.com/ (less)

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Latest find. Anybody know the significance of "Winterskloof" - presumably acquired by O'Toole during the making of Zulu Dawn? It feels rather like Chelmsford and Crealock have been re-united!
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Steve

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:04 pm

Steve,

The next time I see O'Toole's friend, Tim, I will ask him if he knows.

The principle actors were in the Babanango Hotel for the battle scenes, then run by Stan the Babanango Man.

John Y.

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Thanks John.

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Steve,
it seems to me that it's a town in Kwa Zulu, Natal.
Cheers
Frédéric

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:20 pm

Steve,

As Frederic mentions it is in what then Natal, north-west PMB.

I imagine it was where they stayed for PMB part of the shoot.

John Y.

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Did he base the Chelmsford look on Crealock's sketch I wonder.

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Steve

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I forget who said that Chelmsford looked permanently anxious
during the Zulu campaign.

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He looks remarkably similar, if a little better trimmed for Holywood purposes.

Steve

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:55 pm

Just picked up two nice little volumes : The Zulu aftermath JD Omer- Cooper and Terrific Majesty by Carolyn Hamilton.

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Good additions Frank, both nice to have, i was chuffed to pick up the
cooper in the early seventies a battered paper back, i got a pristine
hard copy many years later, although these works were relevant, they
have been taken over in modern times, but as part of a balanced
africana collection..spot on.

http://www.kznhass-history.net/files/seminars/Wright2006.pdf

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:06 pm

http://www.kznhass-history.net/files/seminars/Wright2006.pdf

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:18 am

Morning Les
The beauty of picking up these gems is seeing how interpretations and viewpoints develop over the years. Who was it once said, "you cant know where your going until you know where you have come from."
Cheers

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Howdo Frank, fully agree, the origin of your quote seems to be lost in the mists
of time, attributed to various people or indeed faith system's..i like you seem to
be drawn to the ' bigger picture '. i guess most truisms are exactly that ie, based
on long accepted views over maybe thousands of years. i have always shied away
from giving political views..( i always seem to run into trouble. ) but when i read
the more modern views of authors such as Marks, Duminy, Etheridge, Guy, ect..
i am left in no doubt that dark forces were at work in Africa for many decades
before the AZW. one obvious example is the infamous ' Fathers of Confederation '.
which took place at Charlottetown Prince Edward Island in 1864..which was to lead
eventually to the Scramble for Africa..there are so many levels for the student to
get his teeth into, but fascinating.

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Busy scheming on Prince Edward Island.1864.the main topic!. Confederation.

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Image from Victorian Imperialism by Eldridge 1978.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:55 pm

Hi Les
Actually re reading Jeff Guy at the moment with JB Pieres, Before and After Shaka on the side table waiting.
Cheers

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Pretty heavy weight stuff Frank, enjoy..there is so many opinions
it makes me dizzy, i will never keep up, one lifetime is just not
enough.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:21 pm

To Paraphrase Cecil Rhodes: So many books so little time. Very Happy

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True That.. end of our summer 24 degree's, end of your winter 19 degrees in C.T.
you certainly have it made climate wise..our nights are drawing in fast now.

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:48 pm

It was 35 to37 on the battlefields, severe problems doing the fugitives trail, I took a litre of water and finished it on the way down, managed to get a trickle from the manzimyama but it aint the freshest of water these days. And then I didn't locate Macleroys memorial, absolute bitch to locate.

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As anyone got the book "Royal Feather" it's about John Dunn. If yes is it worth having.

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Hi Ulundi, its a cracking book, a novel, but don't be put off by that,
it's full of historical fact's.

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Subject: Adding to the Library Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:25 pm

Ulundi , I have it but haven't read it , its a few away from being read to be honest , due to it being a Novel , but the chap I got it from said its basically full of historical facts etc , and Xhosa has just reiterated that fact . It might move up the list ! . You need to study mo

90th

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Thanks, Yes 90th although is a Novel it's supposed to be based on fact. Anyway thanks for the feedback. I'm watching one on eBay.

Subject: Adding to the Library Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:04 am

Hi Ulundi
I don't read Novels on the War , but the chap who sold it to me , said it had many historically correct stories and quotes woven into the story , he didn't say it was a Novel ! , he probably realised I wouldn't have bought it ! Rolling Eyes

, I paid about 10 GBP's , I haven't bothered to search around to see if that was a good deal or not , I got mine from the guide I had in Zululand back in May , I called into his wife's work in Pinetown to collect it , as he'd gone to he Cape ! Very Happy

. What price is the one you are watching ? . Good Luck with it .
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Just got hold of a set of original Blue Books on the Langalibelele affair at Bushman's River Pass and its aftermath. Nice plan of operations, I suspect by Durnford. You might say that for him it's where it all began to go wrong and where Frances Colenso's crusade started. Turns out they are ex Public Record Office which surprises me a bit. Nice to have alongside Droogleever
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Steve

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Great to have Steve, and as you say with Droogleever, am
feeling a bit jealous right now!..

Subject: Adding to the Library Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:24 pm

Les , that makes two of us !
90th Shocked

PS , Forgot to mention , well done Steve , I imagine an excellent pick up ! . agree

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Some bold claim's there, still going into the new year. time
will tell, if anybody gets the heads up on this please share.

Subject: Adding to the Library Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:26 am

Will be interesting I imagine Salute

90th

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Studies in the Zulu War: The Letters of Col.-Sergt. William Edwards 1/24th. The Anglo-Zulu War Memorial in Lichfield Cathedral. The Prisoner Escort at ... - Pure Fiction. The Chard Reports: Volume III ..

Is there a publication date Julian?.

Subject: Adding to the Library Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:57 pm

Hi Les
I think JW mentioned a couple of weeks ago it was at the Publisher and should be available not long after ? . JW will no doubt have more details .
90th You need to study mo

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Thank's for that Gary. i thought i read somewhere it will be 2017..
Of course Julian will have an update for us in due course. cheers
xhosa Salute

Subject: Re: Adding to the Library Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:47 pm

The publication date is 10th November. I do have some but am not supposed to release them yet.
I shall check with the museum whether they will take advance orders but will place a blurb on the forum at the end of October.
Thanks for the interest.

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thanks for the update Julian, something to look out for.

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Not rare and we all have one, but I could not resist the pristine cover. Now 50 years old, but seminal.
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Steve

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As you say Steve seminal.. what ed is that. first printing?. xhosa

Subject: Adding to the Library Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:12 am

I actually bought another copy last year , as my near 50 year old paperback has seen better days , the one I purchased had a battle scene which I hadn't seen as its cover previously Shocked

90th

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Hi Les

It is an American edition and just says 1965. I doubt that it is a first printing though as it is just in too good nick. Don't much care at £4 to be honest!

Steve

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But after 50 years that is still in remarkable condition.. i was only remarking
to the 90th the other day, that a lot of my books show every year of their age.
but i guess having the information was the main thing back in the day. cheers
Steve. Les

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