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The battle of Isandlwana is called that because it happen within the immediate area of Isandlwana.
So in geographical terms when would it not be considered the Battle of Isandlwana.

For instance, if a soldier was wounded at Isandlwana, but made it to Rorkes Drift and died of his wounds some 6 hours later during the Battle of Rorkes Drift. Would he have been recorded as casualty of Isandlwana or Rorkes Drift.
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I should imagine something like this “Died at Rorke’s Drift from wounds received at Isandlwana. scratch
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Littlehand. I guest that pretty much sums it up.

Old H, I’m not sure what you mean geographical. Can you elaborate?
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I THE DEATH ROLL OF ISANDULA. FULL LIST OF OFFICERS AND MEN, INCLUDING SOUTH WALES SOLDIERS. 22 March 1879

The following is a full list of the officers and men killed at Isandula on the 22nd of January :— In reference to it, Lord Chelmsford writes :— "It will, I fear, be impossible to furnish an abso- lutely correct list of all those who perished on the 22ud January, as every record connected with the ssveral corps belonging to No. 3 Column has been lost. Colonel G1Yl1 is doh1g his best to furnish what is required. Since writing the above, the printed list of killed and wounded has reached me." N BATTERY 5TH BRIGADE, R.A.—Captain and Brevet-Ma jor Stuart Smith, Brevet-Major Russell, H. A., Rocket Battery; Sergeant William Edwards. Corporals H. R. Bailey, William Cooper, and John Langridge. Bombardiers John Parker and Thomas Nash. Acting Bombardiers: John Lr-quay, James M'Donel, James Aylett, and Thomas Bos well. Farrier: Robert Whenhara. Collar-maker Thomas Shepp vrd. Shoeing- smith Thomas Elliott. Gunners: John Reade, James Meade, Alfred Woolacott, William Wilson, Henry Page, Frank Beach, Edward James, Thomas Miller, James Lamb, dames Byrne, Daniel O'Neal, Charles King, Robert Williams, Murdoch M'Gregor, Joseph Smythe, James Burke. Joseph Regan, James Hicks, Robert Collins, Thomas Berry, William Roscoe, Isaac Davies, William Marshall, Alex- ander Redman, Thomas Wilson, William Dickings, Joseph Stephenson, John Connelly, Thomas Har- rison, and Samuel Cockrane. Drivers William Barron, James Hatchings, George Bailey, Thomas Clark, James Brooks, George McKeown, Henry Allen, J. William Jones, John Marchant, Henry Cowley. John Dailey, Francis Murphy, William Hiatt, Leonard Joyce, William Adams, Charles Spread, Thomas Bruce, and Charles Bishop. ROYAL ENGINEERS.—Lieut.-Colonel Durnford, Lieut. MDowell, Corporal Gamble. Sappers Cuthbert, Maclaren, and Wheatley. Captain G. Shepstone, Political Assistant to Colonel Durnford. Jsr BATTALION 24TH REGIMENT.—Major and Lieut.-Colouel H. B. Pulleine. Captains W. M. Degacher, W. E. Mostyn, G. V. Wardell, R. Younghusband. Lieut and Adjutant T. Melville. Lieutenants F. P. Porteous, C. W. Cavaye. E. D. Anstey, N. J. A. Coghill, J. P. Daly, G. F. J. Hodson, C. J. Atkinson, 2nd Lieut.: E. H. Dyson. Paymaster: F. F. White. Quarter- Master J. Pullen. Sergeant-Major F. Gapp. Quarter-Master-Sergeant T. Leitch. 1. S. Mus- ketry G. Chambers. Drum-Major: R. Taylor. Or- derly Room Sergeant: G. G. Fitzgerald. Paymaster- Sergeant- G. Mead. Armoury Sergeant: H. Hay ward. Sergeant Cook: A. Field. Tailor Sergeant J. Sniedley. Colour Sergeants: T. Brown, W. Whitfield, V/. Edwards, J. G. Ballard, and F. Wolfe. Sergeants John Edwards, C. Heppenstal, John Clarkson, D. Bradley, J. Fowdon, M. Hornibrook, A. Piall, Thomas Fay, G. Bennett, T. Cooper, G. Upton, D. Gamble, William Parsons, William Cohalan, C. Giles, P. Ainsworth, J. Greatorex, and John Smith. Lance Sergeants: John Miluer and John Reardon. Cor- porals N. Ball, P. 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Coll ns, and J. Colston. Lance-Corporal: G. Conboye. Pri- vates C. Coninelly, John Conmelly, S. Cormers, James Cook. H. Cooper, R. Coughlin, Jas. Cox, T. Cox, M. Clarke, M. Cullen, A. Davis, E. Davis, and W. Davis. Drummer: G. Dibden. Privates M. Diggle, James Diggles, John Dob- bin, William Dobbs, C. Donohoe, John Dorman, M. Doran, P. Dowde, William Dredge, T. Duck, G. Duckworth. John Duffey, E. D igmore, F. Dunn, John Dyer, J. Edwards,W.G. Edwards, W. Egan, T. Egan, G. Elderton, W. Eldrington, D. Ellis, H. Ellisan, J. W. Evans, D. E vans, and J. Eilamone, Lance-Corporal T. Every. Pri- vates J. Faircloth, W. Farmer, G. H. Fay, M. Ferris, T. Fitzgerald, James Fortune, E. Flint, W. Freeman, T. Gilder, John Gillan, C. Gingle, G. Glass, A. Graham, C. Goddard, G. Goddchild, T. Goss, W, Green, W. Gieiif, William Gregson, G. Griffiths, J. HalJ, G. Had- den, Jno. Hall, and Jh. Hannaford, Lance- Corporal: T. Hackin. Privates J. Hannard, D. Hamey, T. Harris, Win. Harris, Wm. Hay- den. 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Lovell, John Lyons, James Lycett, John Lawrenc ?, H. A. Mack, C. Manev, William Maun, D. Martin, M. M'i)onald, M. M'Farlame, Jos. M'Hale, G. J. M'Kenzie, G. R. Mair, C. Malioney (Rocket Battery), M. Malarey, L. Marley. J. H. Meredith. C. Millen, P. Miller, R. Moore, Jno. Morgan, Win. Morgan, J DO. Morris, and R. Morse. Lance Corporal: Jno. Murphy, Privates; Juo. Murphy, P. Murphy, Jno. Murray. P. Nash, A. Newbery, T. Newbery, E. Nickolas (Rorke's Drift), Win, Nicholas, Win. Nye, Wm. Oakley, G. Odey. and Jas. Ogden. Drummers C. Osmond and J. F. Orlapp. Pri- vates Jas, Padmore, T. Painter, Jno. Parry, H. Parry, and G. H. Patterson. Drummer: T. Perkins. Privates: J no. Petus, Jno. Phillips, J. N. Phillips, J R. rickard, S. Plant, J. Pln. kett, A. Ballen, W. f0; e, W. Puttow. H. Powell, J, Proctor, G. Prosser, John Prosoor, Wm. Pugh, Wl. Pugh, and James Quirk. Drum- mer T. Reardon. privates: E. Remmington, W. Retford G. Richards. M, Richardson, John Rigney, John Rettman, W. Roberts, H. 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Wil- son, À. Wolfendale, J. Woifendale, Jas. Wood, Jno. Wooley, E. Worthmgton R. Wright, E. Whybrow, Lauce-Corporai: T. Young. Pri- vates P. Desmond, and Waters (both wounded at Rorke's Drift). SE- D BATTALION 24TH REGIMENT,—Lieuts. C. D. A. Pope, F. Autn, H. J, Dyer. Sub- Lieutenant T. L. G. Griuiths. Quartermaster E. Bloomfield. Bandmaster: H. Bullard. Quartermaster-sergeant G. DavIes. Sergeants J. Lines, C. Chew, J. R°»s, \y. J, G. Reeves: H. Carse, W. Shaw, G*. VviLtins, Lance Ser- geants, J. M'Caffry, H. Corporals J. Henshaw, G. Sims. J. M. E°w, T. Thompson, H. Mortlock, W. Greenhill. prainmers J. Ander- son and J. Holmes, P_r'v,a.t;es „ J. Byrne, J. Quinn. J. M'G-uir-e, T. White, f"1. Mockler, S. Sherwood, E. Maliey, J. Suaitb, G. Hor- rocks, J. Flynn, W. Hawkins, 1. Jones, _M. Broderick, J. Kelly, T. Kennedy, D. Phuhps, R. Howells, J. Evans, P. Smith, C. Long, T. Jones, R, Eu>e:«on, T. Lynch, and E. Edwards. Boy D. Gordan. Pnvate3 R. Smith, 1). Pritchard, J. P. Buerly, T. Jones, W. Jones, B. Sathand, J. Mack, R. Stevens, T. Pedlar, J. Watkins, G. Woods, J. White, and J. Bryant. Lance-Corporal J. Etyey. Privates J. Can-oil, T. Cornish, J. J. Davies, an I J. Davis. Boy J. Gurney. Privates S. Hacker, C. Hall, J. Mc- Cormack, J. Hudson, R. ll. Hopkins, H. Slade, G. Thompson, T. Ball, J. Hall, J. Davis, M. Fortune, E. Lewis, and G. Williams. Boy J. S. M'Ewan. Privates T. Montgomery, H. Perkius, P. M'Caffry, W. Waterhouse, H. Bishop, A. Byard, E. Turner, S. M'Cracken, M. Fitzpat- rick, G. Watson, J. E. Hill, J. King, R. Nobes, J. Machin, T. Neagle. T. Qnelford, A. Farr, J. AT len, S. Bevan, T. Bennett, J, Byrne, R. Buckley, A. Bray, F. Bridge water, AI. Cleary, T. Charles, G, Davis, F. Cherry, D. Davis, J. Dowie, M. Done- can, J. Edwards, J, Earish, 1. linn, G. Fitton, D. Flynn, J. Fry, T. Fox, W. Gee, G. Ghost, W. Hall, W, Griffiths, V.C., F. Hughes, J, Healy, J. Hunt, W. Johnstone, W. Jenkins, J. Jones, E. Jones, J. Jones, J. Llewellyn, E. Martingale, J. Marsh, F. Moore, A. Morris, J. Morrissey, J. Morgan, J- Murphy, G. M'Doon, S. Pcle, S. Popple. H. Price, J. Price, T. O'Keefe. W. Rees, W. Rice, W. Roche, M. Roche, W. SheClne, C. M. Smith, H. Smith, D. Smith, F. Smith, D. Ferrett, D. Thomas, R. Treverton, S. Walker, E. Williams, E. Williams, E.' Williams, E. Williams, J. Wil- liamson, J. Wright, J. Young, J. Scott, C. Waters, J. Mulroy, B. Hall, W. Shuttleworth, J. W. Barton, W, Wightmau, and T. Sanders, ARMY SERVICE CORPS. — Corporal Joseph Pritciiard. Privates: John Cole and W. Jaques, ARMY HOSPITAL CORPS.—Lieutenant of Order- lies Hall. Corporal Lee. Privates Kremer, Le is, Dean, Hughes, Munu, Gil!man, Hogan, Keen, and Baker. ARMY MEDICAL DEPARTMENT.—Surgeon-Major Shepherd. Boy Green, servant to Surgeon- Major Shepherd. MOUNTED INFANTRY. — 80th, Quartermaster- Sergeant Wm. Johnson. 9th Lancers, Farrier Henry Sampson. 6th Dragoon Guards, Private John M'Stravick. 2-3<1. Privates James Shaw and George Wheatley, 1 24th, Private Edward Turner. 80th, Privates John Chesterton, E 1- Holtnan, and William Macdonald Shoeing Smith William Seymour. Private Joseph Whitehouse. Civil Servants William Popwortli, servant to C-ptain Gardner, special service Robert Turner, servant to Captain Hallam Parr, 13th Regiment. NATAL MOUNTED POLICH.—Corporal Lalfy. Lance-Corporal Campbell. Troopers G. Ban- ger, Berry, Blakeman, J. Clarke, Capps, Daniels, ikuey, Kason, Fletcher, Hunter. Lloyd, M'J-iae, C. Meares. Neil, Paisons, Pleydell, Pollard, F. Secretan, Siddall, Stiinson, Thicke, C. White, Winkles, Pearce. NATAL CARBINEERS.—Lieutenants F. J. D. Scotr. Quartermaster: W. London, Quartermas- ter-Serjeant J. C. Bullock. Troopers: J. Blakie, G. Borain, Christian, J. Deane, H. Davis, R. Dickenson, W. Hawkins, C. li yiiow, Haldaue, R. Jackson. F. Jackson, J. Lumley, G. Macleroy, W. Meudenhall. M. Moodie, J. Ross, W. Swift, E. Tarboton, J. Whit el a v. NEWCASTLE MOUNTED RIFLES.—Captain Brad- street, Quartermaster Hitchcock, Serjeant Swan. Troopers Barnes, Greenbank, M'Alister, Dinkel- man. BUFFALO JOlmER GUARD.—Trooners Eary, Guttridge, Welir. 1ST BATTALION 3RD REGIMEET, N.N.C.—Cap- tains Robert Krohn and James Lonsdale. Lietitennut Samuel Avery, Frank Holcraft, and Charles Jameson. Acting-Surgeon: Frank Bull. Quartermaster: John M'Cwmick. Interpreter: S. Grant. Sergeants: .J. Connok. J. Cote, H. Church, J. Welsh, C. Patterson, W. Golling, G. Bryant, H. Atkins, W. Russell, Donnell, W. Golding, W. M'Carty. and W. Humphries. Corporals !• Sibley, W. Anderson, R. Palmer, J. B-dinore. J. Duprie, D. O'Connell, M. O'Neil, Davidson, J. Quinn, \V. Willey, J. Pearsnu, and W, Price. Hospital Sergeant: Cane. Conduc- tors Doyle, Le Hone. Cook: Geo. Neil. 2ND BAT. 3RD REGIMEVT N.N.C.—Captains E. Erskine, A. T. Barry, O. E. Murray. Lieu- tenants: R. A. Pritchard,L. D.Young, A.Gibson, Hon. S. Vereker, Staitdishi H. O. Rivers, Qrt.~ Master A. Chambers. Qrt.-Sergeant A. Farr, Sergeants L. Schaap, S. Phillips, W. Brebner, W. Murray, W. Hamilton, J. Allen, G. Mow- bray, A. Broderick, M. Broderick, G. Moore, W. Kemp, and G. Elverson. Corporals J. Walker, W. Green, D. Delaharpe, H. Sturk, T. Harring- ton, J. Willis, R. Styles, J. Caufield, B. Welsh, W. Allen, D. Schneither, D. D. Villiera, W. Staple toil, W. Laughlin, and T. Pitter.

Source: Cardiff Times 22 March 1879

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THE DEATH ROLL OF ISANDULA. FULL LIST OF OFFICERS AND MEN, INCLUDING SOUTH WALES SOLDIERS. 22 March 1879.


The following is a full list of the officers and men killed at Isandula on the 22nd of January :— In reference to it, Lord Chelmsford writes :— "It will, I fear, be impossible to furnish an abso- lutely correct list of all those who perished on the 22ud January, as every record connected with the ssveral corps belonging to No. 3 Column has been lost. Colonel Glyn is doh1g his best to furnish what is required. Since writing the above, the printed list of killed and wounded has reached me."

N BATTERY 5TH BRIGADE, R.A.—Captain and Brevet-Ma jor Stuart Smith, Brevet-Major Russell, H. A., Rocket Battery; Sergeant William Edwards. Corporals H. R. Bailey, William Cooper, and John Langridge. Bombardiers John Parker and Thomas Nash. Acting Bombardiers: John Lr-quay, James M'Donel, James Aylett, and Thomas Bos well. Farrier: Robert Whenhara. Collar-maker Thomas Shepp vrd. Shoeing- smith Thomas Elliott. Gunners: John Reade, James Meade, Alfred Woolacott, William Wilson, Henry Page, Frank Beach, Edward James, Thomas Miller, James Lamb, dames Byrne, Daniel O'Neal, Charles King, Robert Williams, Murdoch M'Gregor, Joseph Smythe, James Burke. Joseph Regan, James Hicks, Robert Collins, Thomas Berry, William Roscoe, Isaac Davies, William Marshall, Alex- ander Redman, Thomas Wilson, William Dickings, Joseph Stephenson, John Connelly, Thomas Har- rison, and Samuel Cockrane. Drivers William Barron, James Hatchings, George Bailey, Thomas Clark, James Brooks, George McKeown, Henry Allen, J. William Jones, John Marchant, Henry Cowley. John Dailey, Francis Murphy, William Hiatt, Leonard Joyce, William Adams, Charles Spread, Thomas Bruce, and Charles Bishop. ROYAL ENGINEERS.—Lieut.-Colonel Durnford, Lieut. MDowell, Corporal Gamble. Sappers Cuthbert, Maclaren, and Wheatley. Captain G. Shepstone, Political Assistant to Colonel Durnford. Jsr

BATTALION 24TH REGIMENT.—Major and Lieut.-Colouel H. B. Pulleine. Captains W. M. Degacher, W. E. Mostyn, G. V. Wardell, R. Younghusband. Lieut and Adjutant T. Melville. Lieutenants F. P. Porteous, C. W. Cavaye. E. D. Anstey, N. J. A. Coghill, J. P. Daly, G. F. J. Hodson, C. J. Atkinson, 2nd Lieut.: E. H. Dyson. Paymaster: F. F. White. Quarter- Master J. Pullen. Sergeant-Major F. Gapp. Quarter-Master-Sergeant T. Leitch. 1. S. Mus- ketry G. Chambers. Drum-Major: R. Taylor. Or- derly Room Sergeant: G. G. Fitzgerald. Paymaster- Sergeant- G. Mead. Armoury Sergeant: H. Hay ward. Sergeant Cook: A. Field. Tailor Sergeant J. Sniedley. Colour Sergeants: T. Brown, W. Whitfield, V/. Edwards, J. G. Ballard, and F. Wolfe. Sergeants John Edwards, C. Heppenstal, John Clarkson, D. Bradley, J. Fowdon, M. Hornibrook, A. Piall, Thomas Fay, G. Bennett, T. Cooper, G. Upton, D. Gamble, William Parsons, William Cohalan, C. Giles, P. Ainsworth, J. Greatorex, and John Smith. Lance Sergeants: John Miluer and John Reardon. Cor- porals N. Ball, P. Bell, John Bellhouse, A. Board, R. S. Davis, E. Everett, John Franks, John Knight, John Lawler, P. Markham, M. Miller, John Rowdon, John Tarbuck, R. Wil- liams, and Richardson. Private: R. Abbot. Drummer: W. H. Adams. Privates: T. Alingham and E. Amos. Drummer: C. Andrews. Private*: A. Atkins, Jno. Bailey, E. Baker, Jno. Barrv, Jno. Barry, J. Bartles, C. Bastard, R. Beadon, W. Beckett, Jno. Benham. A. Bennett, R. Bennett, R. Benson, N. Betterton, Jno. Birch, J. Bishop, Blackhurst. Jas. Blower, F. Bodmin, S. Boulton, John Boylan, James Bray, .John Breese, J. W. Brew, J. Brodrick, J. Brown, W. Brown. F. W. Bngby. John Bull, T, Burke, W. Burke, W. Burns, T. Busby, W. Butler, Jno. Bye, J. Cahill, J. Callanian, M. Campbell, Jas. Gamp, Jas. Canhillon, W. H. Carpenter, P. Carrol, Jas. Casey, and E. Ceiley. Lance-Corporal: W. Chadwiek. Privates: W. Chalmers, W. Chap- man, Jas. Chatterton, D. Christian, A. Clarke, H. Clements, W. M. Clutterbuck, A. Cole, Jas. Coleman, D. Collins, T. Coll ns, and J. Colston. Lance-Corporal: G. Conboye. Pri- vates C. Coninelly, John Conmelly, S. Cormers, James Cook. H. Cooper, R. Coughlin, Jas. Cox, T. Cox, M. Clarke, M. Cullen, A. Davis, E. Davis, and W. Davis. Drummer: G. Dibden. Privates M. Diggle, James Diggles, John Dob- bin, William Dobbs, C. Donohoe, John Dorman, M. Doran, P. Dowde, William Dredge, T. Duck, G. Duckworth. John Duffey, E. D igmore, F. Dunn, John Dyer, J. Edwards,W.G. Edwards, W. Egan, T. Egan, G. Elderton, W. Eldrington, D. Ellis, H. Ellisan, J. W. Evans, D. E vans, and J. Eilamone, Lance-Corporal T. Every. Pri- vates J. Faircloth, W. Farmer, G. H. Fay, M. Ferris, T. Fitzgerald, James Fortune, E. Flint, W. Freeman, T. Gilder, John Gillan, C. Gingle, G. Glass, A. Graham, C. Goddard, G. Goddchild, T. Goss, W, Green, W. Gieiif, William Gregson, G. Griffiths, J. HalJ, G. Had- den, Jno. Hall, and Jh. Hannaford, Lance- Corporal: T. Hackin. Privates J. Hannard, D. Hamey, T. Harris, Win. Harris, Wm. Hay- den. Drummer: John Haynes. Privates James Hedges and C. Hemmings. Lance-Corporal John Hewitt. Privates James Hibbard, W. H. Hickin, T. Hicks, John Hitchin, T. Hines, T. Higgins, James Holland, William Holden. Lance-Corporal D. Horgan. Privates John Home, C. Hornbuckle, William Horrigan (Rorke's Drift), D. Harrington, T. J. Harrington, Wiiliam Haugh, E. Hughes. John Hughes, John Hughes, Owen Hughes, S. Hughes, A. Iggnlden, F. Ilsley, E. Ivatts, James Jenkins, William Jenkins, W. C. JeBkinf, G. Johnson, H. Johnson, Job Johnson, John Johnson, and John Johnson. Lance-Coiporal William Johnson. Privates John. Johnson, Jas. Johnson, A. Johnstan, E. Jones, John Jor.e-, .John Jones, T. Jones, William Jones, William Jones, J Keene, Jas. Keegan, N. Kempsall, J no. Kemp-ter, A. Kelly, J. F. Kelly, Jas. Kelly, F. Kelly, J.ts. Knight, Jas. Lamb, T. Lambert, R. W. Leach, T. Leaver, J. Lee, H. Lewis, R. Lewi", Jno. Lenain, Jas. Liag, S. Lip^et, G. Lisbeck, G. Lloyde, C. Lowe, R. Lowe, W, Locke!t, C. Lovell, John Lyons, James Lycett, John Lawrenc ?, H. A. Mack, C. Manev, William Maun, D. Martin, M. M'i)onald, M. M'Farlame, Jos. M'Hale, G. J. M'Kenzie, G. R. Mair, C. Malioney (Rocket Battery), M. Malarey, L. Marley. J. H. Meredith. C. Millen, P. Miller, R. Moore, Jno. Morgan, Win. Morgan, J DO. Morris, and R. Morse. Lance Corporal: Jno. Murphy, Privates; Juo. Murphy, P. Murphy, Jno. Murray. P. Nash, A. Newbery, T. Newbery, E. Nickolas (Rorke's Drift), Win, Nicholas, Win. Nye, Wm. Oakley, G. Odey. and Jas. Ogden. Drummers C. Osmond and J. F. Orlapp. Pri- vates Jas, Padmore, T. Painter, Jno. Parry, H. Parry, and G. H. Patterson. Drummer: T. Perkins. Privates: J no. Petus, Jno. Phillips, J. N. Phillips, J R. rickard, S. Plant, J. Pln. kett, A. Ballen, W. f0; e, W. Puttow. H. Powell, J, Proctor, G. Prosser, John Prosoor, Wm. Pugh, Wl. Pugh, and James Quirk. Drum- mer T. Reardon. privates: E. Remmington, W. Retford G. Richards. M, Richardson, John Rigney, John Rettman, W. Roberts, H. Rowan, H. Rogers, P Rowbery, W. Rule, T. Rutter. James Ryan, G Suiter, F. Sainey, H. Sears, W. Sellwood, F. Sharp, E. Shaw, D. Shea, H. Sheather, John Shrimp ton, R. Silcock, W. Skel- ton, C. Smith, C. Smith, E. Smith, James Smith, G. Smith. T. Speed. Drummer: S. Stansfield. Privates: H. Stevens.W. Stevens, E. Strange, John Sullivan, P. Sullivan, P. Sutton. R. SwafFer, E. Taylor, R.Tate, James Terry, W. Theobald, J. B. Thomas, John Thoinaa. Drummer: John Thompson. Private: Thomas Thomett. Lance- ts or poral C. Thra3"dl. Privates H. TiUisard, T. Tuneny, G. Todd, J. Townsend, D. Trottmann, E. Turner (Mounted Troop). W. Trowell, Jas. Tullett, G. Vines, E. Waller, E. Walker, Thos, Walsh, Thos. Walsh, \V. Walham, J. Wamer, H. W. Watkins, J. Watloy, and H. Watts. Lance-Corporal: H. Wheatherhead. Privates T. Webb, W. Welsh, J. ealon, T. Whelan, F. Wilts, A. Wiikinson, E. Williams, Jno. Williams, E. Williams, P. Williams, P. Williams, M. Wil- liams, Thos. Williams, Thos., Williams, S. Wil- son, À. Wolfendale, J. Woifendale, Jas. Wood, Jno. Wooley, E. Worthmgton R. Wright, E. Whybrow, Lauce-Corporai: T. Young. Pri- vates P. Desmond, and Waters (both wounded at Rorke's Drift).

2nd BATTALION 24TH REGIMENT,—Lieuts. C. D. A. Pope, F. Autn, H. J, Dyer. Sub- Lieutenant T. L. G. Griuiths. Quartermaster E. Bloomfield. Bandmaster: H. Bullard. Quartermaster-sergeant G. DavIes. Sergeants J. Lines, C. Chew, J. R°»s, \y. J, G. Reeves: H. Carse, W. Shaw, G*. VviLtins, Lance Ser- geants, J. M'Caffry, H. Corporals J. Henshaw, G. Sims. J. M. E°w, T. Thompson, H. Mortlock, W. Greenhill. prainmers J. Ander- son and J. Holmes, P_r'v,a.t;es „ J. Byrne, J. Quinn. J. M'G-uir-e, T. White, f"1. Mockler, S. Sherwood, E. Maliey, J. Suaitb, G. Hor- rocks, J. Flynn, W. Hawkins, 1. Jones, _M. Broderick, J. Kelly, T. Kennedy, D. Phuhps, R. Howells, J. Evans, P. Smith, C. Long, T. Jones, R, Eu>e:«on, T. Lynch, and E. Edwards. Boy D. Gordan. Pnvate3 R. Smith, 1). Pritchard, J. P. Buerly, T. Jones, W. Jones, B. Sathand, J. Mack, R. Stevens, T. Pedlar, J. Watkins, G. Woods, J. White, and J. Bryant. Lance-Corporal J. Etyey. Privates J. Can-oil, T. Cornish, J. J. Davies, an I J. Davis. Boy J. Gurney. Privates S. Hacker, C. Hall, J. Mc- Cormack, J. Hudson, R. ll. Hopkins, H. Slade, G. Thompson, T. Ball, J. Hall, J. Davis, M. Fortune, E. Lewis, and G. Williams. Boy J. S. M'Ewan. Privates T. Montgomery, H. Perkius, P. M'Caffry, W. Waterhouse, H. Bishop, A. Byard, E. Turner, S. M'Cracken, M. Fitzpat- rick, G. Watson, J. E. Hill, J. King, R. Nobes, J. Machin, T. Neagle. T. Qnelford, A. Farr, J. AT len, S. Bevan, T. Bennett, J, Byrne, R. Buckley, A. Bray, F. Bridge water, AI. Cleary, T. Charles, G, Davis, F. Cherry, D. Davis, J. Dowie, M. Done- can, J. Edwards, J, Earish, 1. linn, G. Fitton, D. Flynn, J. Fry, T. Fox, W. Gee, G. Ghost, W. Hall, W, Griffiths, V.C., F. Hughes, J, Healy, J. Hunt, W. Johnstone, W. Jenkins, J. Jones, E. Jones, J. Jones, J. Llewellyn, E. Martingale, J. Marsh, F. Moore, A. Morris, J. Morrissey, J. Morgan, J- Murphy, G. M'Doon, S. Pcle, S. Popple. H. Price, J. Price, T. O'Keefe. W. Rees, W. Rice, W. Roche, M. Roche, W. SheClne, C. M. Smith, H. Smith, D. Smith, F. Smith, D. Ferrett, D. Thomas, R. Treverton, S. Walker, E. Williams, E. Williams, E.' Williams, E. Williams, J. Wil- liamson, J. Wright, J. Young, J. Scott, C. Waters, J. Mulroy, B. Hall, W. Shuttleworth, J. W. Barton, W, Wightmau, and T. Sanders,

ARMY SERVICE CORPS. — Corporal Joseph Pritciiard. Privates: John Cole and W. Jaques, ARMY HOSPITAL CORPS.—Lieutenant of Order- lies Hall. Corporal Lee. Privates Kremer, Le is, Dean, Hughes, Munu, Gil!man, Hogan, Keen, and Baker.

ARMY MEDICAL DEPARTMENT.—Surgeon-Major Shepherd. Boy Green, servant to Surgeon- Major Shepherd. MOUNTED INFANTRY. — 80th, Quartermaster- Sergeant Wm. Johnson. 9th Lancers, Farrier Henry Sampson. 6th Dragoon Guards, Private John M'Stravick. 2-3<1. Privates James Shaw and George Wheatley, 1 24th, Private Edward Turner. 80th, Privates John Chesterton, E 1- Holtnan, and William Macdonald Shoeing Smith William Seymour. Private Joseph Whitehouse. Civil Servants William Popwortli, servant to C-ptain Gardner, special service Robert Turner, servant to Captain Hallam Parr, 13th Regiment. NATAL

MOUNTED POLICE.—Corporal Lalfy. Lance-Corporal Campbell. Troopers G. Ban- ger, Berry, Blakeman, J. Clarke, Capps, Daniels, ikuey, Kason, Fletcher, Hunter. Lloyd, M'J-iae, C. Meares. Neil, Paisons, Pleydell, Pollard, F. Secretan, Siddall, Stiinson, Thicke, C. White, Winkles, Pearce.

NATAL CARBINEERS.—Lieutenants F. J. D. Scotr. Quartermaster: W. London, Quartermas- ter-Serjeant J. C. Bullock. Troopers: J. Blakie, G. Borain, Christian, J. Deane, H. Davis, R. Dickenson, W. Hawkins, C. li yiiow, Haldaue, R. Jackson. F. Jackson, J. Lumley, G. Macleroy, W. Meudenhall. M. Moodie, J. Ross, W. Swift, E. Tarboton, J. Whit el a v.

NEWCASTLE MOUNTED RIFLES.—Captain Brad- street, Quartermaster Hitchcock, Serjeant Swan. Troopers Barnes, Greenbank, M'Alister, Dinkel- man.

BUFFALO JOlmER GUARD.—Trooners Eary, Guttridge, Welir.

1ST BATTALION 3RD REGIMEET, N.N.C.—Cap- tains Robert Krohn and James Lonsdale. Lietitennut Samuel Avery, Frank Holcraft, and Charles Jameson. Acting-Surgeon: Frank Bull. Quartermaster: John M'Cwmick. Interpreter: S. Grant. Sergeants: .J. Connok. J. Cote, H. Church, J. Welsh, C. Patterson, W. Golling, G. Bryant, H. Atkins, W. Russell, Donnell, W. Golding, W. M'Carty. and W. Humphries. Corporals !• Sibley, W. Anderson, R. Palmer, J. B-dinore. J. Duprie, D. O'Connell, M. O'Neil, Davidson, J. Quinn, \V. Willey, J. Pearsnu, and W, Price. Hospital Sergeant: Cane. Conduc- tors Doyle, Le Hone. Cook: Geo. Neil.

2ND BAT. 3RD REGIMENT N.N.C.—Captains E. Erskine, A. T. Barry, O. E. Murray. Lieu- tenants: R. A. Pritchard,L. D.Young, A.Gibson, Hon. S. Vereker, Staitdishi H. O. Rivers, Qrt.~ Master A. Chambers. Qrt.-Sergeant A. Farr, Sergeants L. Schaap, S. Phillips, W. Brebner, W. Murray, W. Hamilton, J. Allen, G. Mow- bray, A. Broderick, M. Broderick, G. Moore, W. Kemp, and G. Elverson. Corporals J. Walker, W. Green, D. Delaharpe, H. Sturk, T. Harring- ton, J. Willis, R. Styles, J. Caufield, B. Welsh, W. Allen, D. Schneither, D. D. Villiera, W. Staple toil, W. Laughlin, and T. Pitter.

Source: Cardiff Times 22 March 1879
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I'm not sure why you have published these lists. Interesting though they are per se, they can be very misleading in terms of who they exclude and include incorrectly. I don't quite see the connection to old historian's post.
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Five times I have checked the list above, can't see J. Harman? Or have I missed it.!
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Two cases of mistaken identity. E. Lewis for J. Lewis kia and two soldiers both Wm. Rees, one kia one out with Chelmsford.
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