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Hi All, I don't know if this has been asked on here before as Iam new to the forum ( but not to the subject ) but " How many descendants of the Zulu war do we have on the forum ? I would be interested to know. I will start it off.
Great nephew of Pte James White , C coy , 2/24th killed at Isandlwana .
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A remote descendant, Captain, Lord William Beresford 10th Cousin, 4 times removed.
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Hi Chalkie
There are several from memory , although they aren't always on here that often , I'll have a stab and say at least 6 - 10 scratch
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Hi 90th , That's still more than I thought.
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Our family know that we had a relative (or relatives), that fought in the AZW, the problem is that we didn't know for certain who and how many, however, through much research and with the very kind help of Kris Wheatley, we are more or less sure that one was William Cooper, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, who fought at RD. The others were all KIA at iSandlwana, one was in the Royal Atillery and two others in the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, and one of those was a relation of Ian Knight, so, you never know, Ian and myself could well be related, however, it is such a long shot, that I very much doubt it.
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Hi Chalkie,
Lance Seargant John Milner of 1st Battallion 24th KIA ai Isandlwana was my great,great uncle on my grandfathers side.
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Thanks lads for the info, I just find it fascinating how wecare all connected by this event.
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Col. Anthony Durnford. He had no descendants, but plenty of cousins.
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My paternal great grandfather, Albert Elkington, was the Gaoler at Msinga at the time that the Battles of Isandlwana and Rorkes Drift were fought. He had a brother-in-law, Trooper Stretch of the Buffalo Border Guard, who was one of the survivors of Isandlwana.

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I've mentioned it before but for the sake of completeness. L. Cpl. 489 Henry Weatherhead 1/24 KIA Isandhlwana. With him were his wife and four children.

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Cheers Steve,what do you mean " with him was his wife and four children " They must have been back in Natal , am I right ?
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Yes, that's right.

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All I was interested in was seeing how many of us there was on here, I know you told me about Lcpl Weather head before.
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Thanks for all the replays , Iam fascinated by all of this, even when I was in the army , I had a chance to go to S.A. on the BATT ( British army training team ) which I was all up for as we were going to get a chance to visit RD and Isandlwana but my services were needed in sunny Afghan instead. Thanks again lads.
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relative of P.V.T. J. Kelleher 2nd battalion 3rd ft, K.I.A. nyezane drift.
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"10th Cousin, 4 times removed". I suspect 3/4 of England are thus related scratch
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Every Welshman Ive ever met claims descendency. Including Martin Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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He hasn't posted for a while but member 'Martini Henry' is a descendent of 9312 Sapper H Cuthbert 5th Field Coy RE.
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"10th Cousin, 4 times removed".   I suspect 3/4 of England are thus related scratch

I remember watching Stephen Fry talk about our ancestors, he said, just about everyone will have some connection, if you think about it you have 2 parents, 4 Grandparents, 8 Great GrandParents, 16 GG+Grandparents, 32 GGG=Grandparents and then 64, 128, 256, 512, 1,024 and so on, within a few generations you will have tens of thousands of ancestors, each one of whom is as responsible for your existence as the next, go back in time and pluck one of them out of history and you cannot exist. Only one of your ancestors out of 4096 will have your Surname that you somehow think is who you are but who you are is a vast array of people, so much so that if you have English or Scottish blood in your veins, then you must be related to Henry IV because you would have more ancestors going back then than the population of Britain. On that principle alone, somewhere in your family tree, you will have a connection to one or more of the men at Isandlwana. In answer to the thread, we all have a connection.
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Frank Allewell wrote:
Every Welshman Ive ever met claims descendency. Including Martin Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

The cheek of the bloke, Welsh indeed, Shocked Shocked

Yes, I do have Welsh rellies, but none that I know of (or that any of my Welsh rellies know of), fought in the AZW, however, one that we do know of was William Cooper, and (like myself), he was an Englishman (as were the vast majority of the men of the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment), and he fought at RD and survived the ordeal. There are also another three possibilies that could be related, one of them being related to Ian Knight, they were all KIA at iSandlwana, and yes, they were all Englishmen. Very Happy

Springy, I hope you are still keeping the Red Rose flag of your native Lancashire flying high for us in SA 'Marra'. agree

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BY the time you get back to 10th cousins you have about 1 million of them . No family historian goes back to 10th cousins - at least none i have met in 35 years of family history research . Which is was rather suprised when someone claims such a connection to a survivor .
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WATERLOO50 if you think about it you have 2 parents, 4 Grandparents, 8 Great GrandParents, 16 GG+Grandparents, 32 GGG=Grandparents and then 64, 128, 256, 512, 1,024 and so on, within a few generations you will have tens of thousands of ancestors, each one of whom is as responsible for your existence as the next, go back in time and pluck one of them out of history and you cannot exist. Only one of your ancestors out of 4096 will have your Surname that you somehow think is who you are but who you are is a vast array of people


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Not strictly true no. In a small isolated community there was inevitably much intermarrying between cousins of various degrees of removal .

Pitcairn would be an example .
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Hi All,

Not sure about the point being made about the cascading effect on family relationships that occurs naturally over many generations, or its relevence to the question. Indeed going back in time the, tree becomes very wide
However, as the AZW occurred some 100 + years ago we are talking of two or three generations only.

Here are some more NMP related ;

Elizabeth Thom ( UK) granddaughter of Tpr George Mardall
Alun Stevens (Aus) grandson of Trumpeter Stevens (Isandlwana defender)
Barry Clarke (SA), grandson of Tpr Clarke (Dartnell Patrol) and great grandson of Maj James Giles, Commandant of Natal Volunteers

The grandson of Insp Campbell ( NMP) was on the forum in the past but I am not sure of his present status.

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Sorry , it is me that took it off topic i think . I was a little suprised by the mention of 10th cousins in an earlier post .
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Sorry , it is me that took it off topic i think . I was a little suprised by the mention of 10th cousins in an earlier post .



I was speaking of my great grandfather's older brother. does that make me a "10th cousin four times" removed?
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No it makes you his Great Grand Nephew I would think. You are the cousin, however many times removed, of his children and their descendants.

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No it makes you his Great Grand Nephew I would think. You are the cousin, however many times removed, of his children and their descendants.

Steve

Hi Steve/free1954

I have looked this one up for myself and you are correct, he would be a Great Grand Uncle which makes free1954 his Great Grand Nephew..
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Which is rather closer related than a 10th cousin . I can't understand why you would come up with a seemingly random connection in the first place .
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how rude of me
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Well its part of the family tree and as I said 'albeit remote'.
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PostSubject: Re: How many descendants do we have on the forum ?   How many descendants do we have on the forum ? EmptyMon Feb 29, 2016 7:28 am

Hi,
well there is me I guess, Colin Fielding, great grandson of John Williams/Fielding VC.
Will be standing at that little patch of ground in ten days time Very Happy

Best regs, COL.
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Colin, how many trips will that be?
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Welcome Colin .
Cheers 90th
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PostSubject: Re: How many descendants do we have on the forum ?   How many descendants do we have on the forum ? EmptyMon Feb 29, 2016 11:47 am

COLIN F. wrote:
Hi,
well there is me I guess, Colin Fielding, great grandson of John Williams/Fielding VC.
Will be standing at that little patch of ground in ten days time Very Happy

Best regs, COL.

I expect you experience all sorts of emotions when you stand on that hallowed ground.

Waterloo Salute
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PostSubject: Re: How many descendants do we have on the forum ?   How many descendants do we have on the forum ? EmptyMon Feb 29, 2016 12:23 pm

Hi, this will be trip number 11.
Absolutely, it's very emotional indeed. It's impossible to focus on just one individual though.

Regs, Col.
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PostSubject: Re: How many descendants do we have on the forum ?   How many descendants do we have on the forum ? EmptyMon Feb 29, 2016 6:11 pm

COLIN F. wrote:
Hi,
well there is me I guess, Colin Fielding, great grandson of John Williams/Fielding VC.
Will be standing at that little patch of ground in ten days time Very Happy

Best regs, COL.




cool. post a picture please.
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PostSubject: Re: How many descendants do we have on the forum ?   How many descendants do we have on the forum ? EmptyTue Mar 01, 2016 12:49 pm

cam simpson wrote:
Well its part of the family tree and as I said 'albeit remote'.  

Just out of interest , how many people do you have in your family tree ?
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PostSubject: Re: How many descendants do we have on the forum ?   How many descendants do we have on the forum ? EmptyWed Mar 02, 2016 9:55 am

Hi,
Many ! My dad had seven sisters, most of which had several off-spring.
Very few direct male descendants left though. Me, my brother, our respective sons and possibly one other. A couple of descendants through J W/Fs brothers.
My brother has spent years drawing up the family tree, it is vast !
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