Lieutenant John Chard: What's our strength? Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead: Seven officers including surgeon, commissaries and so on; Adendorff now I suppose; wounded and sick 36, fit for duty 97 and about 40 native levies. Not much of an army for you.
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Posts : 8376 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:04 am
Back again in November? I suppose the obvious question now is: "When are you applying for permanent residence" ? Look forward to seeing the paper IK I assume?
Cheers
90th
Posts : 10621 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: The Battle Of Mangeni Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:10 am
Hi Frank No , it'll be by Paul Marais , he found the location , Ian helped with reports etc that Paul didn't posses . Hhahahaha ...yes , permanent residence .... Isandlwana Lodge is seeking a replacement for Rob's Guiding position , it may be interesting to see who applies...... . Cheers mate 90th
Frank Allewell
Posts : 8376 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:18 am
I have a gut feel if you apply a certain little blond lady may severely kick your butt. Ive heard of two possibilities, both locals.
90th
Posts : 10621 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: The Battle Of Mangeni Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:26 pm
I doubt I can be a story teller , which I think , is what one needs to be , in that scenario . The Blonde may say go ahead ! hahahahahaha. 90TH
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:32 pm
Hi Gary mate.
Back home are you? What happened oh! I know don't tell me, you got lashed over Oz losing to SA, started singing waltzing Matilda and got booted out.
Hope you are OK mate and that the trip was good.
Welcome home buddy.
90th
Posts : 10621 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: The Battle Of Mangeni Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:04 am
Hi Martin Yes mate I got home very early tues morning , thank God I only heard bits and pieces of the cricket , didn't see any footage until I was at Perth airport waiting for the plane to melb , the news showed a couple of wickets in our 2nd inns , I cant believe anyone can be 0/ 158 and all out for 244 as we were in the 1st inns , although , there have been several batting collapses recently by other teams . Trip I knew would be great , but it was even better , I cant recommend it highly enough . 90th
PS . Thanks for the welcome back .
cam simpson
Posts : 90 Join date : 2014-10-10
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:35 am
Hi 90th your correct the Flying Column's action on 3rd July was just that, a reconnaissance to identify a location for Chelmsford's square. After Beresford's encounter with the Zulu their spirits were up and although they maintained formation they were moving pretty fast and it was Buller who put the breaks on when at the same time they came under a heavy but ineffective fire.
barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
Subject: battle of Mangeni Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:45 pm
Hi Frank, Indeed, my money too. I don't think that it is a well know fact that when the CIC announced that Col Russell of the Lancers was to command the colonial mounted riflemen, that they en masse ,ie NMP NC, NMR etc passed a message back that if that were to happen they would leave the theatre and report back to their bases immediately rather than work with that "paluka". LC quickly saw that there was a serious mutiny on his hands, where the "rebels" were prepared to face CM's etc , he quickly capitulated and left Maj Dartnell in situ. It is also quite interesting to note that the colonials troop serving under their own officers had a higher percentage of survival than the imperial troops. Post the disaster no action was taken against the men who forced LC's hand.
regards
Barry
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90th
Posts : 10621 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: The Battle Of Mangeni Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:02 pm
Hi Barry I hope you are well ? , Yes , that is 100 % correct about LC wanting Russell to be in command of the Colonial Mtd forces , after he realised that they would leave en masse , he decided against Russel and appointed Dartnell . Not sure if I remember reading they wanted someone else to be in command , but they accepted Dartnell in the end ? . 90th
barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
Subject: The battle of Mangeni Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:54 am
Hi 90th, All well here thanks. The colonials had a very high regard for Maj Dartnell who had a proven military track record, in South Africa and further afield. They wanted him to be their commander. By contrast they, correctly, had no regard for Russell who they easily saw was not capable of commanding. They believed that serving under him would just result in a catastrophe. Further to the general imperial incompetence, one of the colonial officers, Phillips, warned the night of 21/01 that the location of the Isandlwana camp was dangerous and would result in mass casualties. LC, being more knowledgeable of course, at his peril, treated this excellent advice with derision and contempt.
regards
Barry
34armor
Posts : 2 Join date : 2016-11-19
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:12 am
Anyone ever sell Zulu war medals? I got 2 and want a few more
24th foot
Posts : 43 Join date : 2012-06-27 Age : 68 Location : Selsdon Surrey
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:12 pm
So, the battle of Mangeni has been fought. Poor Ld Chelmsford fell heroically in command of a small group of officers and colonial volunteers. They were vastly outnumbered by the foe but fought bravely till overwhelmed. The triumphant, though damaged impi returns to Ulundi for cleansing ceremonies leaving the columns largely intact, having repulsed the attack on Isandlwana. Would Richard Glyn step out of Chelmsford's shadow and complete the campaign? It would certainly be a once in a lifetime opportunity. His regiment is experienced and intact, he still has his artillery and most of his horsemen. Discuss. PS If any members are travelling with Cultural Experience and IK in March please send me a PM.
90th
Posts : 10621 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: The Battle Of Mangeni Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:29 am
Hi 24th I wish I was , I've done one of those Tours with IK & PM back in 2014 , since then I've done a couple of the Uncut Tours which they conduct , usually about Oct - Nov , they are to the real nitty gritty places , not just the Battlefields etc , I can tell you that you'll love it , which you probably know if you've done one previously ? . I know its fully booked , there were 2 on Stand By I heard , a total of 15 from memory . I've just got back from the latest uncut tour about 3 weeks ago . Cheers 90th
24th foot
Posts : 43 Join date : 2012-06-27 Age : 68 Location : Selsdon Surrey
Subject: Re: The Battle of Mangeni Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:30 pm
Hi 90th
Thank you for your post. I've never been before and I'm sure it will be brilliant. Having read your words I wish I'd known about uncut before, it sounds more concentrated . If I suggest going on another tour I'll probably loose my wife. I shall miss her. (Sorry, I know it's an old one)
Kind regards
24th foot.
90th
Posts : 10621 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Subject: The Battle Of Mangeni Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:05 am
Hi 24th Yes the Uncut is far more concentrated , as I said , you go to the out of the way places , as well as the Battlefields , we did them all except Gingindlovhu this time , we didn't mind , we would rather have seen the other things and places , we'd all been there several times before . Hhahahahaha , I know what you mean ( Losing the wife ) Oh well , these things happen ! . I'm looking forward to seeing what you thought of it . Actually , I'll be at Isandlwana Lodge the same time you guys are there as well Cheers 90th
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