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PostSubject: A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptySun Dec 11, 2016 7:24 pm

Iv'e never seen the like.
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PostSubject: A Zulu ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 6:47 am

The Spear didn't appear to be of Zulu Origin , although I couldnt get a long enough look at it . I doubt the Shield is either ! , I've never heard of , or seen Zulu Shields made from Zebra Hide , Shields aren't my strongpoint . Les can you email me that link please .
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PostSubject: Re: A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 11:41 am

Hiya 90th, i will e mail you in a bit.. Salute
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PostSubject: A Zulu ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 11:53 am

Hi Les .
No need to email me mate , I've taken care of it . It certainly isn't Zulu according to IK , it's probably from a Zulu Splinter group , they are known as the Ngoni .
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PostSubject: Re: A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 12:13 pm

Good stuff Gary.. you was quick that man!. yeah it just looked so
wrong to me.. and the spear could have been any generic throwing
spear..i tried to get the part of the show where they were being
appraised but by the time i found a pen drive to stick in the missus
bed side tv, it was auction time. a Zulu splinter group, now that's in
itself is the real rarity!, as we know the Zulu did not take kindly to
break away's.. Very Happy stay well mate speak soon. Les.
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PostSubject: A Zulu ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 12:16 pm

Yes true Les , it was in fact a splinter displaced by Shaka .
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PostSubject: Re: A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 1:14 pm

Sorry to disagree with Ian but the nguni race existed long before the Mthetwa tribe split away, a small portion of that subsequently became the Zulu tribe.

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The ancient history of the Nguni people is wrapped up in their oral history. According to legend they were a people who migrated from Egypt to the Great Lakes region of sub-equatorial Central/East Africa.[1] The Nguni group migrated along the eastern part of southern Africa in their southward move from central Africa. They migrated southwards over many centuries, with large herds of Nguni cattle, probably entering what is now South Africa around 2,000 years ago in sporadic settlement, followed by larger waves of migration around 1400 AD.

Some groups split off and settled along the way, while others kept going. Thus, the following settlement pattern formed: the Swazi in the north, the Zulu towards the east and the Xhosa in the south. Owing to the fact that these people had a common origin, their languages and cultures show marked similarities.

The Nguni (Ndebele, Swazi, Xhosa and Zulu tribes) diverged from the Sotho-Tswana and Tsonga within the past 1,000-2,000 years (Jorde et al. 1995). At some point along their southward journey, they came in contact with San hunters, which is why they now produce the "click" sounds that characterize their languages today.

Within the Nguni nations, the clan — based on male ancestry — formed the highest social unit. Each clan was led by a chieftain. Influential men tried to achieve independence by creating their own clan. The power of a chieftain often depended on how well he could hold his clan together.

From about 1800, the rise of the Zulu clan of the Nguni and the consequent mfecane that accompanied the expansion of the Zulus under Shaka, helped to drive a process of alliance between and consolidation among many of the smaller clans.

My money is on that shield and spear being Swazi in origin.

Have a great xmas everyone, back again next year.
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PostSubject: Re: A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyMon Dec 12, 2016 1:33 pm

Yeah Frank, seasons greeting's..Swazi yeah i will have that.
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PostSubject: A Zulu ' Zebra Shield '    A ZULU ' Zebra Shield '   EmptyTue Dec 13, 2016 6:49 am

We are all agreed it's not Zulu ! Shocked lollll. Frank I must admit I'm very surprised that Emery didn't see the P.S report in full , I'm looking forward to seeing what may or may not be in it ! . Have a great xmas , good luck with the Invasion . Joker
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