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anorakABO
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![John McCoy b. 1844, Ireland d. 11/04/1881, Transvaal, South Africa Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: John McCoy b. 1844, Ireland d. 11/04/1881, Transvaal, South Africa Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:17 am | |
| I'm trying to establish how John McCoy could have found his way from Northern Ireland to the Transvaal, South Africa.
His South African Death Notice doesn't give his parents' names. It states he was born in "North Ireland" and gives his occupation as Farmer.
His last will & testament states: "I will ... the whole of my landed property consistent of two farms and also all my cattle wagons and other effects" [url=familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9...-Q?i=1189&cc=2520237]John McCoy Death Notice, South Africa[/url]
He died at the farm Rustplaats, near Lydenburg just 11 days after the siege that lasted eighty-four days. Casualties were four killed, including two volunteers, and nineteen wounded [url=samilitaryhistory.org/vol052mg.html]The Besieged Towns of the First Boer War, 1880-1881 by M. Gough Palmer[/url]
I'm quite curious whether he was involved in the siege and, if so, in what capacity i.e. British Forces / Boer Forces?
He was married to Susanna Elizabeth Johanna Davis whose father was, London born, James Davis and mother was, South African born, Maria Geertruyda Janeke. He had two children with Susanna, the youngest of whom was born in 1873.
I was able to find: First name(s) John Last name McCoy Service number 647 Rank Private Unit or Regiment 2nd Bn 20th (East Devonshire) Regiment of Foot HQ location King William's Town, South Africa Year 1871 Country Great Britain National Archives reference WO 12/3771 Period 01/04/1871-30/06/1871 Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1871 Category Armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & service records Collections from United Kingdom
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![John McCoy b. 1844, Ireland d. 11/04/1881, Transvaal, South Africa Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: John McCoy b. 1844, Ireland d. 11/04/1881, Transvaal, South Africa Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:13 pm | |
| You may wish to explore these files from South African National Archives:
Document 1 of 10 DEPOT KAB SOURCE CO TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 4279 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE T22 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MEMORIAL RECEIVED. G TROLLIP. REGARDING LETTERS PATENT FOR JOHN MCCOY. STARTING 18910000 ENDING 18910000
Document 2 of 10 DEPOT KAB SOURCE DOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 4/1/1327 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2871 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MORTGAGE BOND. JOHN MCCOY. STARTING 19080000 ENDING 19080000
Document 3 of 10 DEPOT KAB SOURCE DOC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 4/1/1327 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 2872 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MORTGAGE BOND. JOHN MCCOY. STARTING 19080000 ENDING 19080000
Document 4 of 10 DEPOT Cory Library for Historical Research TYPE Manuscript REFERENCE PR4539 DESCRIPTION Michael John McCoy. STARTING 19741202 ENDING 19741202 REMARKS 1 page. TS (carbon copy). SUMMARY + Reference given by Elise de Villiers.
Document 6 of 10 DEPOT TAB SOURCE LD TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 818 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE AG4123/04 PART 1 DESCRIPTION INQUEST - DEATH OF. JOHN MCCOY. STARTING 19061120 ENDING 19061120
Document 7 of 10 DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE O/948 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MCCOY, SUSANNA ELIZABETH JOHANNA. (BORN DAVIS). STARTING 1878 ENDING 1878 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE JOHN MCCOY.
Document 10 of 10 DEPOT TAB SOURCE ZTPD TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 8/25 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 1162/1883 PART 1 DESCRIPTION EX PARTE APPLICATION. JAMES DAVIS IN RE ESTATE LATE JOHN MCCOY. STARTING 18830000 ENDING 18830000
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![John McCoy b. 1844, Ireland d. 11/04/1881, Transvaal, South Africa Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: John McCoy b. 1844, Ireland d. 11/04/1881, Transvaal, South Africa Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:22 pm | |
| Thanks Frank.
Document 1: 1891 might be related. Document 2: From 1908. John died 1881. Document 3: From 1908. As above. Document 4: From 1974? Document 5: Missing? Document 6: From 1906. A little late, maybe related to 2 & 3? Document 7: His wife's Death Notice. Have seen the document. Document 8: Missing? Document 9: Missing? Document 10: His father-in-law. Executor? Separation from estate?
I looked at WO 12/3771 (just the index) and it's for 20th Foot 2nd Battalion (Half Battn). Wonder what kind of information it contains? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2463607 |
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| WO12 are the pay and muster rolls of the various battalions. Their contents as follows.
Muster rolls and pay lists give the enlistment date, movements and discharge date of all soldiers in the British Army. From 1868 to 1883 musters may also contain lists of ‘men becoming non-effective’, found at the end of each quarter (or the beginning for regiments stationed in India) which give a man’s birthplace, along with his trade and date of death or discharge. However, these quarterly lists are not always present. From about 1868 musters may also include Marriage Rolls giving details of children and wives occupying married quarters.
In my experience they rarely contain birthplace or trade details, but you may be lucky.
Steve |
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| Thank you Steve. Based on that I think it's absolutely worth paying for a copy. |
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| The pay books are very large volumes which consist of alphabetical lists of names and columns of payments for each month during each quarter year. After 1868 there is usually a separate set of columns for wives "on the complement' and number of children. There is rarely anything beyond that unless, for some reason, there has been a loss or gain in pay. Having copies made of the volume would be very expensive (a single page is likely to tell you nothing other than an individual was present for the month concerned). So be wary of parting with money. If you could get to the National Archives you could of course view them all and copy them free of charge. I attach a typical page just to give you an idea of what you might get. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Steve |
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| Hi Rusteze, I ordered that document from National Archives. Unfortunately, no remarks or additional information (to my eyes anyway): [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
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