Latest topics | » The Pictorial World - March 15th 1879![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Yesterday at 1:13 pm by ben2000 » The lost diary of Pvt James Owen![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:03 pm by miklew » Last of the 24th at Isandhlwana![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:16 pm by John Young » What was the uniform of field marshals/generals in the zulu war?![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:53 am by John Young » Henderson and the NNH at Rorke's Drift ![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:17 pm by SRB1965 » Capt. D. Hayes 1/3rd Regt., NNC![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:11 am by Julian Whybra » The Wrecked Camp![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:33 pm by Julian Whybra » Private N/N John Robert Branch 90th Regiment and his discovered diary![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:53 pm by 1879graves » Private John Scott 24th Regiment a fugitive at large![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:06 pm by 1879graves » 90th foot sgt T. Collins 214![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jul 14, 2024 10:57 am by johnman » Baron Von Steitencron![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:10 pm by Julian Whybra » Sgt Joseph Windridge, Defender of Rorke's Drift - Memorial![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:15 am by 90th » Writing advice![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:04 pm by Julian Whybra » South Africa 1877-79, 1 clasp, 1877-8-9 (4389 Fr. Sergt. S. Smith. O/2. Bde. R.A.)![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:30 am by rai » The trashing of the Zulu monument to the brave warriors at Isandlawana March 12, 2024 has been blamed on scrap metal scavengers.![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:41 pm by ADMIN» The Goodwill Zulu Festival: Celebrating the Welsh and KwaZulu Natal Shared Heritage.![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:27 pm by ADMIN» Any nominal role of G Coy 2/24th regiment ![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 11:18 am by Wayne » Bassage Diary![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:31 am by Julian Whybra » Prior to Sihayo's Kraal ![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:19 am by 90th » British Fort Locations![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 3:40 am by 90th » Sergeant 1064 Tom Hick / Hicks G Company 2/24th Regiment![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:05 am by Julian Whybra » A Hungarian soldier in the Zulu War (?)![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:31 pm by Mr M. Cooper » Private 25B/279 Henry Sears Bugler E Company 24th Reg. KIA Isandlwana![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:07 pm by gardner1879 » Hamilton Browne's birthday![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:22 am by Julian Whybra » Zulu "Corps"![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:01 pm by Hobbes » Army Pay Department Personnel![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:49 am by Julian Whybra » Ntshingwayo birth date![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:37 am by Hobbes » Zibhebhu and Cetshwayo's family![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:11 pm by Julian Whybra » Smith's Store/Hotel![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jun 05, 2024 6:06 pm by Julian Whybra » Corporal James Frowen Williams F Company. ![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:20 pm by Julian Whybra » Shaka iLembe![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:27 pm by Jon84 » Bugler 1415 Thomas Finn / Flin 90th Regiment ![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sat May 25, 2024 11:28 am by johnman » Inspector-General Evelyn Richard Hugh Pollard![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Tue May 14, 2024 10:13 am by ADMIN» Alfred Fairlie Henderson photographs.![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sat May 11, 2024 8:01 am by Julian Whybra » Fairlie's Native Police![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu May 02, 2024 9:12 pm by Hobbes |
July 2024 | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | Sun |
---|
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | | | | | Calendar |
|
Top posting users this month | |
New topics | » The Pictorial World - March 15th 1879![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Yesterday at 1:13 pm by ben2000 » The lost diary of Pvt James Owen![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:03 pm by miklew » Last of the 24th at Isandhlwana![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:53 pm by miklew » What was the uniform of field marshals/generals in the zulu war?![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:30 pm by darthvaix » Henderson and the NNH at Rorke's Drift ![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:29 pm by SRB1965 » Capt. D. Hayes 1/3rd Regt., NNC![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:52 pm by Julian Whybra » The Wrecked Camp![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:51 am by 61MECH » The trashing of the Zulu monument to the brave warriors at Isandlawana March 12, 2024 has been blamed on scrap metal scavengers.![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:41 pm by ADMIN» The Goodwill Zulu Festival: Celebrating the Welsh and KwaZulu Natal Shared Heritage.![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/fa/empty.gif) Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:27 pm by ADMIN |
Zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. |
Due to recent events on this forum, we have now imposed a zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. All reports will be treated seriously, and will lead to a permanent ban of both membership and IP address.
Any member blatantly corresponding in a deliberate and provoking manner will be removed from the forum as quickly as possible after the event.
If any members are being harassed behind the scenes PM facility by any member/s here at 1879zuluwar.com please do not hesitate to forward the offending text.
We are all here to communicate and enjoy the various discussions and information on the Anglo Zulu War of 1879. Opinions will vary, you will agree and disagree with one another, we will have debates, and so it goes.
There is no excuse for harassment or bullying of anyone by another person on this site.
The above applies to the main frame areas of the forum.
The ring which is the last section on the forum, is available to those members who wish to partake in slagging matches. That section cannot be viewed by guests and only viewed by members that wish to do so. |
Fair Use Notice | Fair use notice.
This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner.
We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes.
We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website.
If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution. |
| | Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. | |
| | Author | Message |
---|
John Young
![John Young](https://2img.net/u/1313/16/75/50/avatars/1461-56.jpg)
Posts : 3256 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Wed May 17, 2017 10:27 am | |
| I was asked by a South African Battlefield Guide to establish where Lt. Edward Browne was presented with his Victoria Cross for his actions at Khambula, and who made the presentation.
A seemingly easy task thought I, or is it?
The Noble 24th by Norman Holme records: VC presented at Pinetown, Natal 22/8/1879.
The Zulu War VCs by James Bancroft states: He received the medal from Lord Wolseley at Pine Tree Camp on 22 August 1879, at the same presentation as Major Bromhead.
The Boiling Cauldron by Huw Jones, starts to question things as he writes: The records show that Browne was decorated by General Sir Garnet Wolseley at Pine Tree Camp on 18 August 1879; during August Wolseley was in Zululand waiting for the capture of Cetshwayo, but, despite the completeness of his diary, Wolseley mentions neither Browne nor Pine Tree Camp.
For Queen and Country - the Zulu War diary of Lieutenant Wilfred Heaton 24th Regiment of Foot by Rodney Ashwood, provides us with an eyewitness as Heaton records: Tuesday 26 August Parade at 7.30 for the presentation of VCs to Browne and Reynolds.
I have little doubt in my mind that Pine Tree Camp is actually the camp at Pinetown, where a number of photographs of the 24th were taken, and as recorded by Norman Holme.
But the problem is the dates don't gel. Nor do the presentations.
Bromhead received his V. C. from Wolseley, at the sometime as Robert Jones whilst based in Utrecht on 22nd August 1879. Which would obviously discount Wolseley from being the officer that decorated Browne in Pinetown.
Can we believe Heaton as an eyewitness? As he states that the presentation was for Browne and Surgeon Major Reynolds, yet fellow forum member Lee Stevenson records that Reynolds received his V. C. from Wolseley - at the same time as John Chard - on 16th July 1879 at St. Paul's Mission Station.
Can anyone assist me with this conundrum?
Regards,
John Y. |
| ![Go down](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | | Kenny
Posts : 589 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Thu May 18, 2017 8:43 am | |
| John
The record of service ledger of 1/24th states:
17th August 1879 The Battalion encamped at Pinetown, 14 miles from Durban. 20th August 1879 H Company (Captain Harrisson) rejoined the Battalion from St. John’s River. 24th August 1879 Lieutenant ES Browne VC and mounted infantrymen from 1/24th rejoined the Battalion. 26th August 1879 A Brigade parade assembled to witness the presentation of Colonel Richard Glyn of the Victoria Cross to Surgeon Major Reynolds and Lieutenant ES Browne. The former for his gallant actions at Rorke’s Drift; the latter for conspicuous bravery in the saving the life of a mounted infantry soldier in the action at Khambula (29th March 1879). 27th August 1879 The Battalion – strength 24 officers and 860 men - under command of Colonel Richard Glyn CB, embarked at Durban on board the hired transport Egypt for England.
|
| ![Go down](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | | Kenny
Posts : 589 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Thu May 18, 2017 8:47 am | |
| John
Similarly 2/24 record gives:
6th October 1879 F and H Companies marched via Helpmakaar and Greytown to Pietermaritzburg, where they arrived on 6th October, to await the Battalion Headquarters. Sir Garnet Wolseley had selected the 2nd Battalion 24th for an expedition against Sekukuni, but on his arrival at Utrecht, on 9th September 1879, he brought the news that the Battalion was ordered to Gibraltar. Sir Garnet took the opportunity presenting their Victoria Crosses to Brevet Major Gonville Bromhead and Private Robert Jones. He had already given one to Private Henry Hook at Rorke’s Drift. |
| ![Go down](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | | John Young
![John Young](https://2img.net/u/1313/16/75/50/avatars/1461-56.jpg)
Posts : 3256 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
![Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Re: Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. Thu May 18, 2017 9:00 am | |
| Kenny,
Thanks I knew I could rely on you to provide the accurate information.
Are you involved in any of the August events in Brecon & Cardiff? If so I will see you then.
Best wishes,
John |
| ![Go down](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | | | Date & Details of E.S. Browne's V.C. Presentation. | |
|
Similar topics | ![+](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) |
|
| Permissions in this forum: | You cannot reply to topics in this forum
| |
| |
| |