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Film Zulu Dawn quote: “Excuse me, my Lord, there's something I must convey to you. I rode along the track down to Rorke's Drift. The sky above is red with fire. Your orders my Lord? Do we move to the drift?”
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Subject: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:32 pm
Colonel J. F. Caldwell served in the Kafir war in 1877-78, and was present in the operations against the Gaikas including the engagement in the Perie Bush; also served in the Zulu war of 1879 (Medal with Clasp).
90th
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Subject: Col J.F.Caldwell Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:59 pm
No Caldwell listed in Mac & Shad ! ?? 90th
1879graves
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:16 pm
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Homeward Mail from India, China and the East 21 December 1903
Jager1
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:35 pm
Quote :
No Caldwell listed in Mac & Shad ! ?? 90th
They only get a mention if they served in the Zulu War
Jager1
xhosa2000
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:33 pm
Colonel John F. Caldwell, on completion of his period of service in command of the 27th Regimental District (the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers), is placed on half-pay. Dated 12th July, 1892.
THE LONDON GAZETTE, JULY 12, 1892.
Kenny
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:48 pm
The then Capt John Fletcher Caldwell 2/24th came home aboard Troopship Tyne arriving at Portsmouth 11.1.1879 thus missing the conflict with the Zulu. He later commanded 2nd Battalion South Wales Borderers 9.6.1882-9.6.1886.
90th
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Subject: Col J.F.Caldwell Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:04 am
Justin Yes that's correct , the initial post from Ray was incorrect , or more to the point the source he used was in error . 90th
John Young
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 pm
Gary,
In my opinion Ray is using a digital version of a Hart’s Army List, if there were a date included we might be able to draw a conclusion.
JY
John Young
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:48 am
The entry appears in the 1887 copy of Hart’s Army List, in his defence Ray has correctly transcribed it as it appears.
The National Library of Scotland provides an excellent online research platform to study various editions of Hart’s.
JY
xhosa2000
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:45 pm
"South Africa Medal 1879, with clasp 1877-8 (engraved in upright capitals Captn. J.F. Caldwell, 2-24th Foot). Good Very Fine; and his gilt 1869 pattern shako plate of The 24th Regiment, with applied Sphinx/Egypt at the base, Very Good Condition. Plate 1 Note: John Fletcher Caldwell joined the Regiment on 28th May 1858 as Ensign, aged 18; Promoted Lieutenant 15th November 1861, Captain 30th October 1866. 1879 Army List shows him in the same officer’s mess as Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead (later VC winner at the Defence of Rorke’s Drift). Captain John Fletcher Caldwell returned to England arriving at Portsmouth 11th January 1879 thus missing Isandlwana and Rorke’s Drift action by only a few days. He is shown as Commanding 2nd Bn, The South Wales Borderers 9.6.1882 - 9.6.1886. He served in the Kaffir War 1877-8, present in operations against the Gaikas including the engagement in Perie Bush, and the Zulu War. He attained the rank of Colonel 1.7.1885, retired in 1897, died at St James’s Court on 17th December 1903"
90th
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Subject: Col J.F.Caldwell Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:58 pm
Hi Pete If Caldwell arrived in Portsmouth on Jan 11.... he couldn't have been in the Zulu War as your post suggests , the Invasion started on Jan 11 th , Caldwell possibly left even before the Ultimatum was read to the Zulu's on Dec 11th 1878 ! , the trip took a month at least to get back to the UK . 90th
Kenny
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Subject: Re: Colonel J. F. Caldwell Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:39 am
90th,
There is no 'If' about Caldwell's whereabouts - He is shown as arriving at Portsmouth aboard the Tyne on 11 January 1879 - with 1 drummer and 12 rank & file - this is in the Embarkation Ledgers WO25/3510 (page 160) held in National Archives. Also his service record WO76/233 indicates that he did not serve in South Africa at the time of AZW although was entitled to the campaign medal (with clasp 1887-8) for his earlier service in Frontier War 1878. You can download WO76/233 from National Archives - its free!
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