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PostSubject: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyMon Jul 01, 2019 8:21 am

Please help to identify Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyTue Jul 02, 2019 9:44 pm

imperial1,

I had a quick look at the South Africa Medal Roll, 1877-8-9 for Bakers Horse and could find no one named “Tamer.”  Do you have any further information on him?  Any additional information on him might provide a lead to his identity.  

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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyWed Jul 03, 2019 8:18 am

Hello Thanks for the reply. The name is on a SA medal Tpr. W. Tamer Bakers Horse along the edge. The medal has a lion on the back with zulu shield and crossed spears. looks original ,A possible fake? but why use that unit is the question. P C
I hope this will help, Again Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyWed Jul 03, 2019 9:32 am

Hi all

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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyWed Jul 03, 2019 11:19 am

Ive sent Cam a message to see if he has any record of him.
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyWed Jul 03, 2019 11:34 am

Hi all

On the Medal Roll, there is a W. Turner listed, Baker's Horse.

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Now over to your own interpretation if it reads TURNER or TAMER.
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyThu Jul 04, 2019 3:13 am

Thanks for the reply. I am very grateful for the response. What do you all think I should go with as i am relying on your wisdom.
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Hello again, That is a photo of the medal in question. Is that the proper period engraving? and are there other photos of a Bakers Horse or Bakers light horse medal you know about in order to compare.
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Cam has no record of a W Tamer
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyWed Jul 10, 2019 4:51 am

Hello, the medal definitely says TP r W. Tamer Bakers Horse. , with a vague number of 16? in front , the engraving style matches other frontier horse medals online. The list provided says TPr W. Turner but it is written out. Pau la thinks the list actually says TPr W. Tamer any thoughts? I think it may be the same person with some sort of admin misprint of the name. I have seen it happen in the service.
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It wouldnt be the first time mistakes have been made on the listings. Recently there have been at least three non listed participants from iSandlwana identified and last year a Rorkes Drift defenders name was corrected and the man identified correctly.
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyThu Jul 11, 2019 4:07 am

Hello, Thanks for the reply. I do think this is the case. It even happened to me on my dog tags. I will do more research and try to locate were he is from.
By the way my family wants to know what nge ukuhlonishwa okukhulu kulabo amaqhawe anesibindi nhlangothi zombili means?

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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.    Trooper W. Tamer Bakers horse / Bakers light horse.  EmptyThu Jul 11, 2019 6:15 am

Its an expression of respect for the fallen on both sides of the conflict Salute
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"With great respect for those brave heroes on both sides"
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Thanks.
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