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PostSubject: 25B/2164 Pte Nolan Michael, Richard or Robert?   25B/2164 Pte Nolan Michael, Richard or Robert? EmptyMon Aug 30, 2021 1:04 pm

Ladies & Gents,

Finally after 3 years of copying and transcribing I have at last got to point of entering data from the time period of the Zulu War itself. I have a query which highlights the sometimes confusing and contradictory nature of the original documents.

25B/2164 Pte Nolan was transferred in from the 2/18th Regt, Holmes from the medal roll gives his initial as "R" The research at the Royal Welsh museum gives Michael with notes that "R" on muster lists.

The paylists give the following:

WO 16/1509 2/18th Jan/Mar 1879 give two possible candidates:

69B/1848 Richard Nolan & 69B/1880 Michael Nolan both are on payment until 17/02/1879 when they posted to 2/21st Regt at Curragh Camp. This appears to be the concentration point for all troops in Ireland for deployment to Natal, the 2/21st had transferred men on payment at most until 21/02/1879 when they themselves deployed to South Africa. To be honest the pay-list is a bit of a mess and it takes some digging through to get all the information.

WO 16/1548 2/21st Jan/Mar 1879: 1848 Richard Nolan is on payment to the 21/02/1879 1880 Michael Nolan is on payment to the 19/02/1879 The only annotation in the remarks column is "left at Curragh" (A large number were paid up to the 31/03/1879 but they appear to have sailed with the 21st Regt as they have 37/38 days marked in the days at sea column)

Michael Nolan is marked through with a blue line which corresponds with most of those men who were posted to the 1/24th Richard does not.

WO 16/1573 1/24th pay-list for the Clyde drafts 20/02-31/03/1879 has the following:

2164 Pte Nolan Michael (initial "R" crossed out) on payment from the 20/02/1879 with 1880 written above the Brigade number of 2164

It would seem straightforward to suggest 69B/1880 Michael Nolan was the man posted to the 1/24th the dates match up and his previous Regt number is stated.

The confusion starts with the next pay-list.

WO 16/1574 1/24th Apr/Sep 79 Patrick Oct 79/Mar 80 Michael with Patk overwritten in blue.

WO 16/1575 1/24th Apr/Sep 80 Richard to 2/24th 02/08/1880 advance paid to 31/08/1880

WO 16/1582 2/24th Oct/Dec 80 Robert then from Jan 81-Dec 81 initial "R" only. Jan 82-Mar 83 again Robert.

WO 16/2816 2/24th Apr-Sep 83 Robert again then from Oct 83-Dec 84 Richard (actually posted to England 22/10/1884)

I don't have the Gosport Discharge lists at that time yet. Does anyone have any service record or pension details to clarify? Or perhaps any info whether 69B/1848 Richard Nolan went to another Regiment?

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Bill
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Hi Bill

I can help with Richard Nolan.

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Many thanks to 1879graves and Lee Stevenson for their help, much appreciated.

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