WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu: Colour Sergeant Bourne: It's a miracle. Lieutenant John Chard: If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle. Colour Sergeant Bourne: And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind it.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» W. Pack 90th Regiment , Bullers servant J Pegg , G Burge , T Atkins , J Merryweather , T Morton , T Emery , E Smith 1/13th Regiment 1878 action
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyToday at 9:17 am by John Young

» Quartermaster W G Morgan 2/3rd Regiment
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyToday at 8:03 am by rai

» 1878 Map of Zululand Jeppe
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyToday at 1:41 am by 90th

» Private Nathan Billings 1/24th Regiment
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyYesterday at 9:49 pm by Bill8183

» Christmas for the armed forces in SA 1878
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyYesterday at 7:14 pm by John Young

» Frontier Light Horse , Defences at Utrecht and Colonel Wood's and Capt Maud's accident
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyYesterday at 6:17 pm by gardner1879

» Maritzburg Hunt Coghill Law Lawrence Daly Moran Turtle
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyYesterday at 8:32 am by John Young

» Regulations for Boer forces in the AZW
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 11:39 pm by gardner1879

» Sports day at Utrecht 90th Regiment and Royal Artillery soldiers details shown
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:58 pm by gardner1879

» Private 45/568 H Purcell 2/3rd Regiment
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:50 pm by gardner1879

» Military Movements Captain Himes' Pioneers
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:36 pm by gardner1879

» Private 49 W Peacock Private William Sullivan alias William Swaine 2/3rd Regiment horse thieves
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 6:35 pm by gardner1879

» Colonel Colenbrandur
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 3:39 pm by Kenny

» Adams Revolver Advert
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 11:19 am by gardner1879

» Colonel Weatherley and the Border Lancer's
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:57 am by gardner1879

» Colonial Volunteer unit locations November 1878
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:54 am by gardner1879

» Natal Native Levies clothing issue Solomon Raw Vause
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:51 am by gardner1879

» Orderly Room Clerk 1410 Arthur Such 3/60th Regiment Corporal 2060 Bill Turley 1/13th Regiment
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:44 am by rai

» New Registrations.
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 10:06 am by ADMIN

» Brevet Major Samuel Huskinson 80th Regiment
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 9:06 am by rai

» Brevet Major William G Knox Royal Artillery
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 8:51 am by rai

» Gunner 1152 Eli Towner N Battery 6th Brigade Royal Artillery
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 7:52 am by rai

» Captain Arthur Collins 57th Regiment
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 7:30 am by rai

» Dr K/E? M O'Callaghan Army Medical Department
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 7:22 am by rai

» Distribution of captured cattle and loot
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 2:59 am by 90th

» LT COL HENRY PULLEINE.
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Feb 04, 2023 2:53 am by 90th

» I have reaped my mealies
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 10:56 pm by Julian Whybra

» Transport Arrangements Directors of Transport, Conductors wagons postal service Venn Allen
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 7:29 pm by gardner1879

» Private J Roach , J F Kelly J. Keating 1/24th Regiment?
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 6:08 pm by gardner1879

» Correct colour for Foreign Service Helmet
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:48 pm by gardner1879

» iSandlwana a Zulu account describing the Zulu discovery and battle
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:43 pm by Julian Whybra

» Commandant Schermbrucker
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:24 pm by gardner1879

» Double pay for Volunteers entering Zululand
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:17 pm by gardner1879

» Military Movements November 1878 Pulleine Amiel Walker Gelston Russell Crealock
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 5:07 pm by gardner1879

» Lance Corporal Minary / Meneary Private Hopkins Doherty Carter Brown1/13th Regiment Nourse
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyFri Feb 03, 2023 11:42 am by gardner1879

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
The Missionaries The Zulus & The British Empire in Southern Africa / Full Documentary.
Top posters
90th
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
littlehand
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
ADMIN
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
1879graves
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
gardner1879
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
rusteze
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
John Young
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
gardner1879
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
90th
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
rai
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
John Young
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Eddie
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Gosli
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Bill8183
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
ADMIN
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_leftStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) BarStations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Please Do Not Post Ads on Our Forum
Google Chrome new standards imposed
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The missing five hours.
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
The ammunition question
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Adding to the Library
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
rifles Prince taylor Isandlwana smith Russell Mounted George james martini Franklin horse brown Police Durnford harford anstey drift henry 24th Roll 2022 williams john Natal Jones
 

 Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)

Go down 
3 posters
AuthorMessage
Bill8183




Posts : 144
Join date : 2015-11-08
Age : 54
Location : Sunderland

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat Apr 30, 2022 10:38 pm

Ladies and Gents,

I have over the last few years been researching the muster lists of the 24th in order to update/correct the list of those who served in South Africa contained in The Noble 24th by Norman Holmes. I have wanted to correct the omissions and errors of (generally) Regimental prefixes and first names instead of initials. These mostly are of men who joined both Battalions as reinforcements after the first invasion.

I have therefore gone worked through the muster lists of each Regiment and Brigade Depot that supplied men to the 24th Foot. (still a work in progress). There are a small number still to be found and I have come across a few brick walls.

As an example I will use a couple of soldiers from the 105th Regiment. (Please excuse me if this is a bit long winded).

25B/2751 Pte Joseph Burns and 25B/2750 Pte William Horn

I have ascertained that Burns is mentioned in WO 12/9981 Apr/Jun Qtr as number 982 when the 105th were based in Aden, so he is almost certainly a Regimental number 105/982 Horn is mentioned in the same muster list but in the pay Quarter of March 1874  when they returned to England. (On payment from 28/03/1874) From his number (110) I believe he was a Brigade recruit (8B/110) but I need to find his enlistment details.

Since I believe he was 8th Brigade the first place to look is obviously the 8th Bde Depot pay and muster list. However the 7th & 8th Bde Depot lists only start from August 1878 due to the fact their barracks in Pontefract were not completed until then. Therefore, the normal practice was to be on payment of a UK based Infantry Regiment.

Using the Station of Regiments documents WO 379/9 and 379/11 I know that at that time the Depot Companies of the linked 51st and 105th Foot (Later King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry) were at Great Yarmouth in December 1872 (Gorleston Bks)? to Norwich May 1873 (Cavalry Bks)? until July 1873 when they arrived at Sheffield (Hillsborough Bks)? where they joined the 105th Foot on its return to England in Mar 1874.

However there does not seem to be a Regiment in Sheffield at that time. So could a Regiment have it's Headquarters in one place and be responsible for Depot Companies elsewhere? Does anyone know or seen any history of Sheffield being an outstation of another area. Will I therefore, (probably) have to check through the individual lists of Regiments based in nearby towns and cities?

Any help or tips would be appreciated,

Bill
Back to top Go down
Kenny




Posts : 553
Join date : 2013-05-07
Location : Brecon

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySun May 01, 2022 7:33 pm

Bill,

There are 2 possible options:

1. The Army List (annual/quarterly) - most are now available on-line will give the location of battalions at the top of each regiment's entry together with the list of officers.

2. American has done all the work for you - John M Kitzmiller II in 2 volumes published in 1988 by Manuscript Publishing - ISBN 0961926031 They are called 'In search of the Forlorn Hope'. You can find them on Amazon. I am not sure TNA libary has copies - but there is a set in Brecon.
Back to top Go down
Bill8183




Posts : 144
Join date : 2015-11-08
Age : 54
Location : Sunderland

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySun May 01, 2022 8:56 pm

Kenny,

The TNA does have this book ref: 355.31 in their library. I used it to check who was at Chatham 1870-73 when trying to find the Depot Companies of the 24th before they moved to Brecon. (No luck still).
The problem is it differs to a degree from what 379/11 says. I'm not 100% convinced of it's accuracy.

I have downloaded the 24th Army lists from the National Archives of Scotland so I'll look at 1873 again.

Bill
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2837
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySun May 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Bill,

This is from the 1874 Hart’s for 105th, you will see the varying locations:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

JY
Back to top Go down
Online
Bill8183




Posts : 144
Join date : 2015-11-08
Age : 54
Location : Sunderland

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyWed May 04, 2022 8:28 pm

Thank you John,

Seems I'll have to look through Regiment by Regiment to see who was in Sheffield or nearby at that time.

Bill
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2837
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptyWed May 04, 2022 8:46 pm

Bill,

This is from the 1873 Hart’s:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

The other option is The Times which published Stations of the Army on a weekly basis, the only thing is all my editions of that newspaper date from 1879.  My local library service used provide access to The Times digital library, I will check later to see if it still available to me.

JY
Back to top Go down
Online
Bill8183




Posts : 144
Join date : 2015-11-08
Age : 54
Location : Sunderland

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySat May 07, 2022 10:56 pm

Thank you John,

I was at TNA today and thankfully found the information I required. The 1873 Hart's gave both the 51st and 105th Depot as attached to the 50th Regt.

So WO 12/6167 50th Regt 1873-74 at Colchester had both Depot's up to 30th September replaced by Depot 97th Regt. In the remarks it had "To pay 95th Regt."

The 95th Regt WO 12/9573 1873-1874 at Manchester initially had the Depot of 49th and 66th Regts to 1st of August when they were attached to the 104th. The 51st/105th Depots were with the 95th from October where I found the enlistment of Pte. Horn.

Bill
Back to top Go down
John Young

John Young


Posts : 2837
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 67
Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!

Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) Empty
PostSubject: Re: Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)   Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK) EmptySun May 08, 2022 11:26 am

Well Done Bill!

JY
Back to top Go down
Online
 
Stations of Regiments mid 1870's (UK)
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Medical Examination 1870s ?
» Naval Brigade 1870s Old Photo
» Officers at Hythe 1870s, Incl Gonville Bromhead VC Source
» Yesterday's Papers 1870s Punch!. Punch staff artist John Tenniel (
» Fear of Mounted Regiments.

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: