Location of Burrup's Canteen Store

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Does anyone on the forum know the location of Burrup's Canteen Store?
I am over in SA next month and as it is mentioned a lot in various accounts it would be nice to track down where it was and go there.
Thank you
Kate

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:20 pm

Kate,

“The Major” says it was on the Greytown Road to Mpanza.

Even the Express Eugenie stopped there.

JY

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Thanks John. I will drop the Major a line.
Over the years have you ever seen a photograph of it?

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Natal Mercury - Tuesday 17 December 1878

and this
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Natal Witness - Tuesday 17 December 1878

and this
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Natal Mercury - Monday 30 December 1878

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:27 pm

Kate,

No I haven’t seen a photograph or engraving of it.

Looking for leads on it I found that Joseph Burrup’s genealogy site is maintained by an Adendorff!

JY

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It can't have been too far from Greytown.
Looking at the newspaper accounts, and with nothing else to go on at the moment, I've tried to work out an approximate idea of how far Burrup's was from Greytown.
The Carbineers don't seem to be travelling all day. It is either a morning or an afternoon march.
Using a modern system (Google maps) and the speed the Carbineers were travelling which seems to average about 2.5mph, following what is now the R33 it is about 7.5 miles from the Mvoti River to Greytown.
If this was their average speed and daily travel distance it would put them approx 7.5 miles north of Greytown when they reached Burrup's. Spookily, on Google maps it shows a Zulu store in that location.
The two riders in the third account did it in under two hours but am assuming they are out on their own, unhinderd by a column.

According to Smith-Dorrien, Burrup's was about 50 miles south of Sandspruit. This takes us to within 9 miles of the modern Zulu store.

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Natal Mercury - Saturday 31 August 1878

So 12 miles to Burrup's farm from Greytown

Subject: Location of Burrup's Canteen store Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:27 am

Hi Kate
I've been there , well , the approximate area anyhow with the Major , I'll send you a pic via email if I can find it .
90th Salute

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Pictures arrived, thanks Gary
If you bring them with you next month, it would be interesting to line them up.
Lets just hope the weather is a bit better for us than it was for Smith-Dorrien!
K Salute

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:46 am

Yes its just outside of Greytown here is a photo its location was left of the present road it was very close to a present day Farm house

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:47 am

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Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:51 am

Yes your right John Young the Location was confirmed by the Major.

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:55 am

Inky,

I’m so glad that one Melburnian can post images on the Forum!

JY Joker

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:03 am

Gary and I was just talking about Burrups on the phone 15 minutes ago

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Thanks Inky Salute

Subject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:36 am

My pleasure Kate

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