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PostSubject: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySat Apr 08, 2023 12:58 pm

Does anyone on the forum know the location of Burrup's Canteen Store?
I am over in SA next month and as it is mentioned a lot in various accounts it would be nice to track down where it was and go there.
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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySat Apr 08, 2023 3:20 pm

Kate,

“The Major” says it was on the Greytown Road to Mpanza.

Even the Express Eugenie stopped there.

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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySat Apr 08, 2023 4:18 pm

Thanks John. I will drop the Major a line.
Over the years have you ever seen a photograph of it?

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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySat Apr 08, 2023 4:27 pm

Kate,

No I haven’t seen a photograph or engraving of it.

Looking for leads on it I found that Joseph Burrup’s genealogy site is maintained by an Adendorff!

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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySat Apr 08, 2023 5:07 pm

It can't have been too far from Greytown.
Looking at the newspaper accounts, and with nothing else to go on at the moment, I've tried to work out an approximate idea of how far Burrup's was from Greytown.
The Carbineers don't seem to be travelling all day. It is either a morning or an afternoon march.
Using a modern system (Google maps) and the speed the Carbineers were travelling which seems to average  about 2.5mph, following what is now the R33 it is about 7.5 miles from the Mvoti River to Greytown.
If this was their average speed and daily travel distance it would put them approx 7.5 miles north of Greytown when they reached Burrup's. Spookily, on Google maps it shows a Zulu store in that location.
The two riders in the third account did it in under two hours but am assuming they are out on their own, unhinderd by a column.

According to Smith-Dorrien, Burrup's was about 50 miles south of Sandspruit.  This takes us to within 9 miles of the modern Zulu store.
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So 12 miles to Burrup's farm from Greytown
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PostSubject: Location of Burrup's Canteen store    Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySun Apr 09, 2023 4:27 am

Hi Kate
I've been there , well , the approximate area anyhow with the Major , I'll send you a pic via email if I can find it .
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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySun Apr 09, 2023 7:29 am

Pictures arrived, thanks Gary
If you bring them with you next month, it would be interesting to line them up.
Lets just hope the weather is a bit better for us than it was for Smith-Dorrien!
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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySun Apr 09, 2023 8:46 am

Yes its just outside of Greytown here is a photo its location was left of the present road it was very close to a present day Farm house
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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySun Apr 09, 2023 8:51 am

Yes your right John Young the Location was confirmed by the Major.
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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySun Apr 09, 2023 8:55 am

Inky,

I’m so glad that one Melburnian can post images on the Forum!

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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptySun Apr 09, 2023 9:03 am

Gary and I was just talking about Burrups on the phone 15 minutes ago
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Thanks Inky Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Location of Burrup's Canteen Store   Location of Burrup's Canteen Store EmptyMon Apr 10, 2023 11:36 am

My pleasure Kate
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