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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 29, 2010 11:35 am

    Horsefixer
    There were no suvivors from G company.

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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 29, 2010 3:47 pm

    Hi Horsefixer,
    You are in a bit of a quandary, the main regiments that took part in the First Boer War were 3/60th Kings Royal Rifles Corps, the 58th Northamptonshire Regiment, 94th Connaught Rangers, and 2/21st Scottish Rifles. none of these were at Isandhlwana all arriving in South Africa to take place in the second invasion in april 1879.
    However N battery 5th brigade Royal Artillery were at both, Isandhlwana and fought during the 1st Boer war, also a number of Staff Officers served in both, including the so called Edward 'Lucky' Essex 75th Regiment, a survivour of Isandhlwana, and Laings Nek, being the only officer who was not wounded in the battle.
    Hope this gives you some ideas?
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 29, 2010 4:18 pm

    Thanks Rai, sorry I should have been more specific and stated the 2nd Boer War. Being South African when I say Boer War I mean the second one. The first Boer war being little more than a scrap in my eyes!!
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 29, 2010 5:29 pm

    Hi Again, Horsefixer,
    A large amount of Officers served in both the Zulu and 2nd Boer War but not many served at Isandhlwana, in fact i can only think of Lt H Smith-Dorrien 95th, but a number served in the isandhlwana Campaign but were out with Lord Chelmsford, including, R A P Clements, Willian Penn-Symons [died of wounds in 1899], 24th, John Dartnell Natal Volunteers, many others served iboth n the Zulu war and 2nd Boer War, but not in the Isandhlwana Campaign these include, Redvers Buller, Twentyman, Gawne, Strong, Williams, Lukin, Gunning, Warren, to name a few?
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    PostSubject: fantastic colorization of photos....   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Aug 27, 2010 2:14 am

    Whooaaa, what a jolly good job of coloring Trooper Materson, really super great. Don't know which one I like best, the b/w or colored.....and how fortunate to have FOUND a picture of him. My family and I are still researching our ancestor, Trooper Robert Kincade, I've not given up hope that SOME picture will surface of him.

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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Sep 17, 2011 6:46 pm

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    Hi.. Have just found this site and am looking to locate a complete list of survivors for Isandlwana? Does one exist? Have reason to think my great grandfather saw active service and survived but would like to confirm? Many thanks






    quote="joe"]Hi everyone
    im sure some of the members on this site have always wanted a full list of the survivors at isandlwana
    Im sure with the combined knowledge of the members on this forum we can come up with a list of those survivors!

    feel free to add any names to the list that you know!

    im sure we can do it!

    ill start ...

    LT Henry Curling R.A

    anyone please add names to that list !

    thanks joe[/quote]
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 18, 2011 11:31 am

    It'd be a slightly easier task for those who might be able to help by you supplying your Great Grandfather's name and unit details. Idea
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 18, 2011 3:02 pm

    Many thanks.
    My great grandfather was Robert Winton and he was a sgt major 2nd Battalion The Grenadier Guards. Have documents which suggest he was at Isandlwana and then at Rourkes Drift but no evidence to back this up! Any help to find such information would be much appreciated.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 18, 2011 3:34 pm

    Trooper,

    I hate to be the one to disappoint you but I can find no trace of anyone by that name on the Medal Roll.

    I also have a list of Grenadier Guards who joined the draft of the 1st/24th as replacements, I regret to say his name is not on that list either.

    His name, as you have given it, does not appear as a survivor of Isandlwana, or a defender of Rorke's Drift. Is it possible he used an assumed name?

    What are the documents that you have that suggest that he was?

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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 18, 2011 5:28 pm

    Hi - I have diaries of his son (my grandfather) written in the 1930s giving an account of actions for his father's (Robert Winton) obituary.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 18, 2011 6:51 pm

    Trooper,

    Might well be worth your while contacting the Guards Museum, unlike other museums the Guards have kept - where available - the service-papers of their former members. They should be able to assist you with your forebear's military service.

    Was the obituary published in any local newspaper?

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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 18, 2011 9:42 pm

    Many thanks. I haven't explored the local paper theory yet! That's a line to definately go down though as I have the date of death etc. Many thanks.
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    PostSubject: Isandlwana Survivors    ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 20, 2011 10:40 am

    Hi Trooper.
    This is the most definitive work regarding survivors & Casualties of Isandlwana & R.Drift .

    http://www.rrw.org.uk/shop/shop.php?action=view&prodid=203

    cheers 90th. Idea
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 20, 2011 10:44 am

    Quote :
    This is the most definitive work regarding survivors & Casualties of Isandlwana & R.Drift .

    More so that the Noble 24th scratch
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    PostSubject: Isandlwana Survivors    ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 20, 2011 11:09 am

    Hi MrG.
    I have ' The Noble 24th ' and it basically only deals with the 24th . Englands Son's has lists of ALL known personal that
    were there. Julian now that he is a member may post a page or two so you can see what I mean . Julian's book will also tell
    you where the / his information can be found . Once again I hope this makes sense . I had best clarify that Englands Son's
    is not a book but more a book of Lists and the whereabouts of where information can be found from those who survived Isandlwana.
    Julian I'm sure will be able to describe it far better than me .
    cheers 90th.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Mar 11, 2012 11:57 am

    Suem and Trooper
    You have both written on this forum that ancestors, John James White and Robert Winton, claimed to have survived Isandhlwana. Neither name appears in any list of survivors. It is possible they enlisted under aliases. It is also possible they could spin a line for a free drink! It is also possible that there has been confusion over the battles of Isandhlwana and Inyezane which occurred on the same day. I am perfectly willing to help you find out if their claims are genuine. Perhaps you could contact me by private message with any information you have about them - regiment, rank, year of birth, subsequent career - and I'll see what I can find.
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    PostSubject: Isandhlwana Survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Aug 16, 2012 5:25 pm

    Hi everyone

    Of the 8 Buffalo Border Guard present at Isandhlwana during the fight, 5 survived:-

    Quartermaster Dugald McPhail
    Quartermaster Sergeant William M Adams
    Trooper Charles Lennox Stretch
    Trooper ? Lennox
    Trooper John Adams (William M Adams son)

    QMS Adams and his son John did not know whether the other had survived until they got to Helpmakaar, QMS Adams had another son, Charles Adams age 16 on Garrison Duty at Fort Pine during the fight at Isandhlwana. All three survived the Zulu war. William to fight in the 1st & 2nd Boer War, and Charles to fight in the South African War and Bambata Rebellion.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Aug 16, 2012 6:05 pm

    Thanks Dhragonheart. And welcome to the forum. Salute
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    PostSubject: Isandhlwana Survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Aug 17, 2012 2:32 pm

    Have just gone through my database of 1879 participants of the Zulu War and compiled this list of Isandhlwana Survivors (any errors are mine, as the database is far from complete)

    Induna Jacob NNC
    Scout Uhlowani NNC
    Wagon Driver Umgohluhlu NNC
    Wagon Driver Umpande NNC
    Scout Untabeni NNC

    Capt D M Smythe 1st/1st NNC
    Capt C R A Nourse D Coy 1st/1st NNC
    Sgt Maj T Sharp D Coy 1st/1st NNC
    Capt W H Stafford E Coy 1st/1st NNC
    Lt W B Erskine 1st/1st NNC

    Lt G W Adendorff No 6 Coy 1st/3rd NNC
    Lt W C R Higginson No 6 Coy 1st/3rd NNC
    Pte Malindi No 9 Coy 1st/3rd NNC
    Lt T Vaines No 9 Coy 1st/3rd NNC
    Headman Mvubi 1st/3rd NNC
    Sgt Maj J Williams 1st/3rd NNC
    Sikhota 2nd/3rd NNC

    Pte E Wilson B Coy 1st/24th
    Pte H Grant C Coy 1st/24th (Rocket Batt No 2 Column)
    Pte W Johnson C Coy 1st/24th (Rocket Batt No 2 Column)
    Pte J Trainer C Coy 1st/24th (Rocket Batt No 2 Column)
    (Glyn’s Groom) Pte J Williams D Coy 1st/24th
    Cpl J Bickley F Coy 1st/24th

    Pte J Power B Coy 1st/24th (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Pte H Davis D Coy 1st/24th (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Cpl W Parry D Coy 1st/24th (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Cpl J McCann E Coy 1st/24th (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Pte S Wassall 80th ( No 1 Sqd MI)
    Pte T Westwood 80th (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Pte D Whelan 13th (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Pte E Evans 3rd (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Pte J Gascoigne 3rd (No 1 Sqd MI)
    Sgt P Naughton 3rd (No 1 Sqd MI)

    QMS W M Adams BBG
    Trp J Adams BBG
    Trp Lennox BBG
    QM D McPhail BBG
    Trp C L Stretch BBG

    Wagon Driver Abraham C&T Dept
    Leader Black C&T Dept
    Mule Driver H Boer C&T Dept
    Asst Comm R A Chermside C&T Dept
    Conductor M Foley C&T Dept
    Wagon Driver Gamalulu C&T Dept
    Conductor R J Hall C&T Dept
    Acting Control Officer J N Hamer C&T Dept
    Leader Kadupe C&T Dept
    Leader Mango C&T Dept
    Leader N’Ishepeni C&T Dept
    (Doherty’s) Servant Udhlowane C&T Dept
    Wagon Driver Umhlusane C&T Dept
    Wagon Driver Umtobe C&T Dept
    Leader Umtshate C&T Dept
    Wagon Driver Umzana C&T Dept

    Driver J Baggely N Batt. 5th Bde RFA
    Driver J Burchell N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Sgt J Costellow N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Lt H T Curling N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Gnr W Green N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Gnr T Hallaghan N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Trptr N H Martin N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Driver E Price N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Shoeing Smith J Steen N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Shoeing Smith G Townsend N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Driver E Tucker N Batt 5th Bde RFA
    Act Bmbr G Gough N Batt 5th Bde RFA (Rocket Batt No 2 Column)

    Capt W Barton (Zikhali Horse No 1 Troop NNH)
    Lt C H Raw (Zikhali Horse No 1 Troop NNH)
    Lt R W Vause (Zikhali Horse No 3 Troop NNH)
    Lt A F Henderson (No 4 Troop NNH)
    Trp J Molife (No 4 Troop NNH)
    Nyanda (No 4 Troop NNH)
    Lt W F D Cochrane 32nd (No 5 Troop NNH)
    Lt H D Davies (No 5 Troop NNH)
    Sgt Maj S Kambula (No 5 Troop NNH)
    P Gulu (No 5 Troop NNH)

    Trp W W Barker NC
    Trp W W Edwards NC
    Trp C Fletcher NC
    Trp W Grainger NC
    Trp W Sibthorpe NC
    Trp W Tarbaton NC

    Trp G Collier NMP
    Trp D Doig NMP
    Trp W V Dorehill NMP
    L/Cpl R N Eaton NMP
    Trp W Hayes NMP
    Trp R J M Kincade NMP
    Trp R Shannon NMP
    Trp C M F Sparks NMP
    Trptr R V Stevens NMP

    Trp J Berning NMR
    Trp T Brown NMR
    Trp Burne NMR
    Trptr J J Horne NMR
    Trp D Moodie NMR
    Trp H Parsons NMR
    Trp Walsh NMR

    Trp A Muirhead VMR (Possibly NC)

    Lt G F Andrews (No 1 Coy NNP)

    Capt E Essex 75th
    Lt H L Smith-Dorrien 95th
    Interpreter P Brickhill
    Capt A C Gardner 14th Hussars


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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Aug 17, 2012 6:00 pm

    I could be wrong, but I think this is the first list we have seen on this forum with reference to the survivors.
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    PostSubject: Isandlwana Survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Aug 17, 2012 11:52 pm

    Hi Dave .
    I think there is at least 2 other lists somewhere on here !. :lol:
    Cheers 90th. Salute
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 18, 2012 2:15 pm

    dhragonheart
    De Burgh, Cooke, Bettington, Thomas, Edwards were neither survivors nor casualties of Isandhlwana - they simply were not there. (As a matter of fact David Edwards was also not in the MI.) You also have some of the initials/names wrong, but as you say, your database is far from complete.


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    PostSubject: Isandhlwana Survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 18, 2012 3:02 pm

    Thanks Julian Salute

    Left out a couple of components on the database search query which is why the extra names were pick up. Names and Initials have come from a variety of sources, all of which do not agree, and the medal rolls which can be difficult to read sometimes.

    1877-78-79 Imperial & Colonial Database is still an ongoing project (about 8 years so far, and over 29,000 names, and 125 fields for each entry) it is inevitable that errors will creep in over time, or the wrong entry/or entry updated when new evidence or info is found.

    Still.............keeps me out of trouble :lol:

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    P.S. above list amended Rolling Eyes
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    Dragonheart
    You will find a complete list of survivors against which you can check your list in England's Sons. Against each name you will find the primary source which records that person, any accounts he left, etc, etc.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Jan 11, 2013 11:55 pm

    Interesting announcement!! Wonder to whom there referring too.

    ""Any survivors from the Isandlwana disaster are urgently requested to supply infor... mation respecting A - - B - - , whose name appears among the killed. Will some of his comrades please say,-I. How and where was he 1 2. \Vhether he escaped from the carnage to the river, or was hemmed in with those who had no ammunition to use and were killed by the Zulus 1 3. Who saw him last, and under what circumstances ~ 4. Was he recognised after death, and was he buried~ 5. Was he much mutilated, and what was the manner of his death 1" Thus, as always, what was in the heart as the most important question of all was put off to the last."
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 12, 2013 7:48 am

    John
    I think you'll find this pertains to Trooper Adrian Blaikie.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 12, 2013 11:31 am

    Thanks Julian.. Would this announcement have been advertised by his familey.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 12, 2013 11:47 am

    I believe it was from his family.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 12, 2013 12:28 pm

    Thanks again Julian. They certainly wanted done details. Just out of interest was hs body ever recovered.
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    Yes it was found and buried at Isandhlwana. There is a named marker over the grave.
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    Thanks, good for the familey in one respect, that they got closure.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Jan 13, 2013 11:02 am

    John
    Unless Im mistaken Blakeys body was identyfied because of the size of his head, larger than normal. I think one of his hats was taken to the battlefield and tried on the corpse. I would need to check but I think he has at least two monuments on the battlefield where his name is mentioned, could be three.

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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Jan 13, 2013 11:33 am

    It seems his family got most of their questions answered, but what about the final question?
    Springy, Julian, what else is known about the circumstances of Tpr Adrian Blaike/Blakey's final moments?


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    Springbok

    In Knights Zulu Rising it says that his brother placed his hat on the corpse to make sure.

    Tasker

    I think he was found at Durnfords stand, so Melokazulu's account would be the best to describe.


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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Jan 13, 2013 11:42 am

    Thanks DB. I'll dig that out and re-read it today.
    Some consolation for the family (though they would not have appreciated it at the time of learning) to know he died so bravely. Salute
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    Tasker
    His body was found at, and is buried on, the site of Durnford's last stand.
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    Springbok your correct about Blaikie , this from Zulu Rising page 579 . '' Nineteen year old James Adrian Blaikie was recognized
    by the size of his particular large skull - his brother had brought one of his hats along and gently placed it over his head to be sure ''.
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    His Grave.

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    "The Volunteers were called up in the Zulu War and Jim Blaikie lost his life at Islandhlwana in January, 1879. He was nineteen years old. This short biography comes from A Story of an African City by J. Forsyth Ingram, chapter sixteen and we know too that while in Scotland Jim was looked after by his uncle and aunt, the William Garden Blaikies [William Garden Blaikie 1820 - 1899]. Before going to the Zulu War, Jim had bought himself a narrow silver band which he wore on his wrist. Whether it was the fashion or his own idea I am not sure. His younger brother, Harry [Henry Blaikie 1869 - 1931], had one too. After their victory at Islandhlwana the Zulus disembowelled the dead and left them where they had fallen and in most cases they took nothing from their persons. It was the sad task of relatives, after the war, to find their dead and bury them. Kenneth Hathorn [Kenneth Howard Hathorn 1849 - 1933] who had married Agnes Blaikie [Agnes Elizabeth Blaikiey Blaikie 1853 - 1894] [and thereby in 1890 produced, as their fifth child, the writer from whom I am quoting, Amy Hathorn / Young] went to bury Jim. The Natal Carbineers had fallen next to each other round their leader Colonel A W Durnford. KH identified Jim's body by the silver bracelet and by the size of his head. He had a big head and so had KH who tried his own hat on the poor dead head and found it a firm fit. Kenneth Hathorn went twice to the battle field and I surmise that he went the second time to place the stone on Jim's grave. It had been imported from Aberdeen and is granite of a red brown colour and it lies flat on the ground the length of the grave."
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptySun Jan 13, 2013 3:41 pm

    Thanks all.
    I am now a little confused as to who identified the body; his younger brother would have been only 9 or 10 years of age in 1879, so it would appear that KH referred to in the passage above posted by 24th, was actually JAB's brother-in-law.
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    Well if his brother was 9-10, if would be safe to say it was hs brother-in law.
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    To do, there were how many survivors among the Zulus at Isandhlwana ? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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    The British/Colonial forces suffered 1,300 deaths. There were 78 fugitives who escaped the carnage at Isandhlwana and survived:
    Durnford's no.2 Column
    Lieutenant W F D Cochrane, 32nd Regiment (staff)
    Mr Hamer (civilian transport officer)
    Rocket Battery, 4 men - Bombardier G Gough RA, Privates H Grant (1/24th), W Johnson (1/24th), J Trainer (1/24th)
    Captain W Barton NNH
    Lieutenant Charles Raw NNH
    Lieutenant V Vause NNH
    Lieutenant A Henderson NNH
    Lieutenant H D Davies NNH
    Captain C Nourse NNC
    Captain W H Stafford NNC
    Captain D M Smythe NNC
    Lieutenant W Erskine NNC

    Colonel Glyn's no.3 Column
    Captain E Essex, 75th Regiment (staff)
    Captain A C Gardner, 14th Hussars (staff)
    Lieutenant L H Smith-Dorrien, 95th Regiment (transport)
    Mr J A Brickhill (civilian interpreter)
    Lieutenant H T Curling RA
    9 men of N Battery, 5th Brigade RA
    Bandsman Bickley, 1/24th
    Bandsman Wilson, 1/24th
    11 men of no.1 Sqn Mounted Infantry - Sergeant P Naughton (2/3rd), Corporal J McCan (1/24th), Privates E Evans (2/3rd), J Edwards (2/3rd), J Gascoigne (2/3rd), D Whelan (1/13th), S Wassall (80th), T Westwood (80th), H Davis (1/24th), W Parry (1/24th), J Power (1/24th)
    Natal Mounted Police, 9 men - Trumpeter Stevens, Troopers Sparks, Hayes, Collier, Kincaid, Eaton, Shannon, Doig, Dorhill
    Natal Carbineers, 7 men - Troopers Muirhead, Fletcher, Edwards, Barker, Grainger, Tarboton, Sidthorpe
    Newcastle Mounted Rifles, 7 men - Trumpeter Horne, TroopersBurne, Moodie, Walsh, Brown, Berning, Parsons
    Buffalo Border Guard, QM McPhail and 4 men - Troopers Lennox, Adams, Adams, Stretch
    Lieutenant J Adendorff NNC
    Lieutenant W R C Higginson NNC
    Lieutenant T Vaines NNC
    Sergeant-Major Williams NNC and 2 NCOs
    Lieutenant G F Andrews, Natal Native Pioneers
    Conductor Foley
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Mar 07, 2014 8:40 am

    87
    mule driver Hans Boer
    waggon conductors R J Hall, L Hall, Berling, Homan, Parsons and Street
    you omitted 1 additional R.A. OR (10 in total)
    Serg-Maj Sharp NNC
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Mar 07, 2014 1:01 pm

    Thanks for the list Ulundi - have not before seen a list compiled before.

    Did any survivors escape 'on foot' - I was always under the impression that nobody escaped unless they were horsed

    A follow up question I suppose, if any of the survivors who escaped would not normally have been issued with a horse were there any that came under scrutiny for having taken a horse? (appreciate that in the confusion there were likely to be horses milling around)
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    No-one escaped on foot.
    One survivor said that one man escaped on foot but he's never been identified.
    No-one came under the scrutiny you mention.
    I don't normally blow my own trumpet but I suggest you look at England's Sons for the details of the 87 and for the 4 possible European survivors as well as the African survivors' details.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyFri Mar 07, 2014 10:58 pm

    Didn't Smith-Dorrient make good his escape partly on horse and foot!
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    Dave , as Julian mentioned no -one escaped by foot , you'll find that once some of the survivors crossed the river including Smith - Dorrien ( No t ) , that , they , did manage to complete their flight on foot , but only once they were on the Natal side of the river .
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 26, 2015 6:58 pm

    Smith-Dorrien made it to the Buffalo River on horse. He crossed to the other side and found an injured soldier, who he picked up and put on his horse. The soldier galloped off leaving Smith-Dorrien to make the rest of his escape to Helpmaker on foot. He was chased by about 20 Zulu's which he managed to fend off with his revolver and 11 rounds that Bromhead lent him that morning. He came under scrutiny for leaving his men in the midst of the battle, but some years later he was awarded the (I think) V.C for attempting to help a soldier and saving the life of another.
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    PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 26, 2015 7:33 pm

    Hi Taff, welcome to the forum.

    That's correct, he did help a trooper, it is said that Smith-Dorrien ran non-stop for about 20miles, out running many Zulu, albeit he had a revolver to help keep them at bay. As far as the VC, he was never awarded one.
    He became more famous in WW1 for disobaying orders. Ironic that!
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