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Im amazed to see this forum website with the title: ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum (A Small Victorian War in 1879). You are putting it in such a way that it must be clear or indicated that the war was just a minor one despite of the defeat-it was a big one, we all know; that is why it is on history even today and up to the end of teh world! Nibovuma ukwehlulwa, asikho ngisho nesisodwa isizwe sabondlebe zikhanya ilanga esingehlula abantu abamnyama. Lokho ngeke ukubone. Yinindaba nino kweyisa kangaka? Nenziwa wukuthi niqhuba ukudelela nina nisazi kahle ukuthi nehlulwa namanje niso valweni!

ACCEPT DEFEAT! THE BRITISH WERE FIXED AND FIXED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN REVERSE OR DO! EVEN IN COUNTRIES LIKE ZIMBABWE YOU WERE HEAVILY DEFEATED! CHASED AWY AGAIN!
Yikho ngishilo ngathi ayikho ngisho nesisodwa isizwe sabondlebe zikhanya ilanga esingehlula isizwe sabantu abamnyama, ngeke ukubone lokho!!!!
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PostSubject: accept defeat.   ACCEPT DEFEAT!!!! (A small Victorian War in 1879) EmptyTue Jun 01, 2010 8:26 am

hi zithazemkhonto.
The title is a satirical look on the war used by those alive at the time , no -one was using that terminology
after the great defeat at Isandlwana or the other British Reverses at Khambula , Hlobane and Ntombe Drift.
Hope you understand the meaning of ' satire '. Idea
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: ACCEPT DEFEAT!!!! (A small Victorian War in 1879)   ACCEPT DEFEAT!!!! (A small Victorian War in 1879) EmptyWed Jun 02, 2010 1:37 pm

Hi Zithazemkhonto
The title is also in-relation to the duration of the War, months instead of years.


Zithazemkhonto good to see your already contributing. We accept defeat, and always have done. The Battle Of Isandlwana was a great Zulu victory. But we like to dissect the reason for the defeat. The fact that there were 20,000 Zulu’s against approximately 1300 British and colonial soldiers along with numerous mistakes by the British officers in command on that day could possibly be the answer. It might be worthwhile reading some of the discussions on the forum to give you a better understanding on how we interpret the Zulu War as seen from our perspective as it would be interesting to get your perspective rather than announcing “Accept Defeat” The Battle of Isandlwana like you say all ways be a Great Zulu victory. It is the most argued subject on nearly every forum that has connections with the Zulu War of 1879.
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"ACCEPT DEFEAT! THE BRITISH WERE FIXED AND FIXED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN REVERSE OR DO! EVEN IN COUNTRIES LIKE ZIMBABWE YOU WERE HEAVILY DEFEATED! CHASED AWY AGAIN!"

I wonder if this is how the British are perceived today taking into account, we have the utmost respect for the Zulu. Admin i agree, when you say Isandlwana being the most discussed subject connected with the Zulu War.

I would love to know what the Zulu’s of today really think about the British, and their views on the Zulu War of 1879. Is there still resentment? I think that most of us know it was an unjust War, which should never have taken place, but it, did and we can’t turn back the hands of time.

Zithazemkhonto. How do you think the Zulu’s really see the British, bearing in-mind the War took place 131 years ago. Is there respect between the British and the Zulu or am I under the wrong allusion and there is no respect.
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PostSubject: Re: ACCEPT DEFEAT!!!! (A small Victorian War in 1879)   ACCEPT DEFEAT!!!! (A small Victorian War in 1879) EmptyWed Jun 02, 2010 7:05 pm

CTSG. That’s a very difficult question you have asked Zithazemkhonto.
Its not just a case of what happen during the Zulu War, He’s will also take into account what happen after the Zulu War.

But then again I could be wrong.
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Hi All,

I certainly don't think there is any animosity from the Zulu Royal Household, they have worked tirelessly in all sorts of projects, and in a spirit of true reconcilliation, including attending several rededication services to men of the Zulu war, not just officers but lowly privates are given the same honour. And I know that when our re-enactors go to South Africa, they too pay their respects at the monuments to Zulu warriors, as well as our own fallen soldiers, proving a mutual respect exists from both sides who took part in that conflict.

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