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Can anyone shed some light on this lesser know story. It all took place around the same time as the Battle of Isandlwana. Because its new to me


" Four miles away from parallel to the east, the Carabineers had discovered the right tip of the impi climbing up one of the slopes leading to a stream crossing the second valley. They had been watching a group of about 200 warriors retreating towards the Ngwebeni Valley. This had made some men nervous, thinking that it was just a Zulu manoeuvre to lead them away from the camp and then ambush them. Baker, a soldier of the Carabineers and member of this group of scouts was among them.”

He writes.
“ Approximately two hundred Zulu headed towards us from some three hundred paces away; but as we advanced, they disappeared out of sight. One of our men climbed up the hill where they had disappeared and on a hill further away; at approximately 600 paces, we saw an enormous army sitting down. We returned with Lieutenant Scott, covering what were then the three miles back to camp and informed him about what we had seen.”


There was a third witness who said he saw an enormous impi before one o’clock in the morning, without be sighted by them. He was a rider from the mounted unit known as the Buffalo Border Guard, by the name of Arthur Adams. He had been galloping along the outpost watches and by climbing about five miles from Isandlwana, which he descries as a high hill, overlooking the deep valley, he saw an enormous Zulu Army that he estimated to be at least 25.000 to 30.000 warriors. He returned to camp and informed an imperial officer, whose name is unknown, who ignored him completely. He must have thought that the colonial volunteer had told him something crazy.



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24th Where did this come from. scratch
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It’s from “Rorke’s Drift The immortal Zulu Anglo-Zulu-War” By Carlos Roca.
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I have this book. There is some very good martial. Loads of letters from the Zulu War ect.
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Can the information in this book be confirmed? I have never heard of this author. Any reviews been done. And how can I find out if there was a Trooper Arthur Adams in Buffalo Border Guard.

scratch If the imperial officer ignored him, why did he not report it to someone else? 20-30 thousand Zulu's not an every day occurrence. Especially when he knew the British were camped at Isandlwana. (Doe’s not ring true to me) But willing to be corrected.
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Hi impi

The only help I can give you is the Following

Trooper ? Adams (Snr) Buffalo Border Guard
Trooper ? Adams (Jnr) Buffalo Border Guard

Both are listed as having survived the Battle of Isandhlwana on 22nd January 1879. Medal & Clasp '1879'
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Both are listed as having survived the Battle of Isandhlwana
I would have thought he would have pointed out the Imperial officer who ignored him, (That’s if the officer survived. (Using those famous words " I TOLD YOU SO"

Thinking about it. We could say the diaster was down to an unknown Imperial Officer. Food for thought !!!
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hi impi.
I have Carlos Roca's other book on Isandlwana , its ok but it does appear some of the sentences are ' Lost in Translation '
in other words they dont make much sense ( Grammar Wise ) . Good pics B & W and Colour , Great cover print by Guiseppe
Raba which is also one of the double page prints . I think it is worth having but wouldnt want to pay anymore than 10 quid or
thereabouts . He does list the names and ranks of the 1 /24th and 2 /24th killed at Isandlwana , but not the Colonials. As I said
its worth having but dont pay to much for it . Idea
cheers 90th .

ps. I am certain I have mentioned this book on the forum a while ago . I will send a link for good priced copies. Well worth buying
if you can get the lower price. Bear in mind the postage stated is to Australia :lol!: .



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Hope this helps . Idea
cheers again 90th.
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So. Could it have been true. I can find nothing to say it did or it didn't only what's in the book mentioned.
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