Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's)

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:02 pm

are there any other known photos of harford?

Posts : 3384 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon

Hi ciroferrara

This link might help you.

http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/research/the-collection/search/category:9/name:harford

Posts : 75 Join date : 2010-09-06 Location : Tenterden

Hi Ciroferrara

There are a number of photos of Charlie Harford in the book I put together on Charlie Harford in which I concentrated on his whole life and then mostly his military life.

I am working on the part of his life surrounding his bug hunting and natural history exploits.

The first book is called 'Harford'

Regards

David

Posts : 420 Join date : 2011-05-14

1879Graves,

With reference to the link you gave I am convinced that the photograph reference number SBYRW : 26331, is not a photograph of 'The Beetle Collector'.

In my opinion it is a photograph of an officer taken in the 1860s. The collar and the crown are much too large for an officer in the 1870s, and on examination the medal does not appear the Zulu Medal. I did contact the museum about this some time ago but they did not get back to me.

What do you or anyone else think?

kwaJimu1879

Posts : 75 Join date : 2010-09-06 Location : Tenterden

Hi Kwajimu

I do not think that is a photo of Charlie - I did not find anything like that in any of his papers.

The majority of the photos on the wardrobe site have come out of the book that I wrote.

Regards

David

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:02 am

have u a link from where i can purchase your book?

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:32 am

http://www.anglozuluwar.com/books/

Scroll down to Harford.

Posts : 420 Join date : 2011-05-14

For better value deal go to http://www.rrw.org.uk/shop/shop.php?action=view&prodid=307 where it is a lot cheaper!

kwaJimu

Posts : 75 Join date : 2010-09-06 Location : Tenterden

Hi all

If any of you want to buy the book if you send a cheque for £27.50 to 'The Ultimatum Tree Ltd' at Sportsman Farm, St Michaels, Tenterden, Kent TN30 6SY.

This includes the postage which is the £7.50 as the book weighs 2.25kg.

Sorry Admin about using your forum as a means of selling but it was in response to a post.

Regards

David

Posts : 269 Join date : 2010-12-02 Location : Kloof, KZN

Harford bequeathed a great deal of material to the then Durban Museum. It is now divided between the Local History Museum (historical items, including his Zulu War diary) and the Natural Science Museum (specimens and paperwork relating to Harford's interest in the natural world).

During the 1990's, a volunteer assistant at the Natural Science Museum undertook to make a record of all Harford's donations, to which was added information on Harford gathered during two trips to the UK, one of which included a visit to Harford's granddaughter in Sussex.

Regrettably, all this effort came to nothing. I recently met the ex-volunteer - we have both since retired - and she told me that she still has all the notes made during her investigation. There will be little, or nothing of Zulu War interest, but there may well be something that adds to the record of Harford himself. One such item is a watercolour portrait of Harford as an old man. This may already be known but, if not, I can e-mail a copy to anyone who is interested.

Regards
Brett

Posts : 3384 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon

Hi kwajimu1879

Having a closer look at the photograph, I would have to agree with you. We did have a contact on the forum who worked in the Museum, but I can not remember their name scratch

Brett

I would like to take you up on your offer. Idea

1879Graves

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:38 pm

i heard that theres another photograph in the john young collection of a younger harford ?

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:17 pm

its in a book called ZULU by edmund yorke but the resolution is tiny .
just bought my copy of HARFORD from the RRW website Surprised

Subject: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:18 pm

in Ian Knights Zulu Rising it mentions a cave near sihayos kraal .. has tht particular cave ever been positively located???

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:52 am

Not to sure which cave you refer to.
The mountain behind the kraal is riddled with caves.

Regards

Posts : 42 Join date : 2010-11-05 Location : Texas

As described in "Gunfight at Sihayo's Kraal", by Kieth Smith, there are two main areas where the action took place that morning. My avatar is the first of those sites. I had the good fortune to go there with Dalton Ngobese and his cousin Muzi who are both decendants of Sihayo. I marvel every time I read of Harford's antics that day, it is a hard place to get to. It can be seen from the main road between RD and Isandlwana, but it takes a 4x4 to get in there.

DSL

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:45 pm

do you happen to have any photos of the caves in those areas??

regards ciro ferrara

Posts : 747 Join date : 2009-10-18

Littlehand posted a drawing of the attack that drawing might show the caves. Problem is I can't for the life of me remember when he posted it. The drawing was composed by one of the officers present.

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:23 pm

Not sure it will help. Scroll down to image.

http://1879zuluwar.forumotion.com/viewimage.forum?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi595.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt38%2Ffreeforum1879%2Flittlehand%2Fcapture16-1.jpg

Posts : 7 Join date : 2009-12-22

Gents

Refrence the comment aboove regarding the photo of 'Young HARFORD' in the Regimental museum collection. I have revisted the image in the collection to try and establish where the information came from. This image was one of a number from the 99th that have only been examined over the past couple of years. An Album that not been looked at in the archives for well over 50 + years. On the rear of the photo was the name HARFORD so its possible the museum has repeated an error. Closer examination and only just readable is another name that has been crossed out. The name is ROBERTS. A check of the Army List shows a Captain Thomas Law ROBERTS who is shown against the 99th from 1863 to 1869 which fits with the observations made above regarding the type of uniform and medal. Based on that I think the caption should be changed to reflect the fresh information.
Cheers

MAC

Posts : 3384 Join date : 2009-03-03 Location : Devon

Hi MAC

Many thanks for the update Idea

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:47 pm

http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/research/the-collection/search/category:9/name:harford

Subject: Re: Henry Charles Harford. (Photo's) Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:07 am

i beleive the photo in question appears in "Ian Knights Whos Who In the Zulu War Vol 1" those that mean that photo is definitely not a valid image of charles harford

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