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PostSubject: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 12:40 pm

Hi All

This is only my opinion.

I do understand the feelings of an owner of an image when it is posted without their permission, but it is a shame that we are unable to share such images without breaking any copyright laws.
As this forum is non-profit making and used by many as a reference point, it saddens me that we are unable to post what we find.
When finding an image online, it is difficult to know who owns the image, let alone find them and ask for their permisson to publish the image.

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 12:51 pm

Fact sheet P-01: UK Copyright Law scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch
Issued: April 2000
Last amended: 27th November 2009
The UK copyright law fact sheet outlines the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, the principal legislation covering intellectual property rights in the United Kingdom and the work to which it applies.

Introduction
Copyright law originated in the United Kingdom from a concept of common law; the Statute of Anne 1709. It became statutory with the passing of the Copyright Act 1911. The current act is the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

Rights covered
The law gives the creators of literary, dramatic, musical, artistic works, sound recordings, broadcasts, films and typographical arrangement of published editions, rights to control the ways in which their material may be used.

The rights cover; broadcast and public performance, copying, adapting, issuing, renting and lending copies to the public.

In many cases, the creator will also have the right to be identified as the author and to object to distortions of his work.

International conventions give protection in most countries, subject to national laws.

Types of work protected
Literary
song lyrics, manuscripts, manuals, computer programs, commercial documents, leaflets, newsletters & articles etc.

Dramatic
plays, dance, etc.

Musical
recordings and score.

Artistic
photography, painting, sculptures, architecture, technical drawings/diagrams, maps, logos.

Typographical arrangement of published editions
magazines, periodicals, etc.

Sound recording
may be recordings of other copyright works, e.g. musical and literary.

Films
broadcasts and cable programmes.

The Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992 extended the rules covering literary works to include computer programs.

When rights occur
Copyright is an automatic right and arises whenever an individual or company creates a work. To qualify, a work should be regarded as original, and exhibit a degree of labour, skill or judgement.

Interpretation is related to the independent creation rather than the idea behind the creation. For example, your idea for a book would not itself be protected, but the actual content of a book you write would be. In other words, someone else is still entitled to write their own book around the same idea, provided they do not directly copy or adapt yours to do so.

Names, titles, short phrases and colours are not generally considered unique or substantial enough to be covered, but a creation, such as a logo, that combines these elements may be.

In short, work that expresses an idea may be protected, but not the idea behind it.

Who owns a piece of work
Normally the individual or collective who authored the work will exclusively own the work and is referred to as the ‘first owner of copyright’ under the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act. However, if a work is produced as part of employment then the first owner will normally be the company that is the employer of the individual who created the work.

Freelance or commissioned work will usually belong to the author of the work, unless there is an agreement to the contrary, (i.e. in a contract for service).

Just like any other asset, copyright may be transferred or sold by the copyright owner to another party.

Rights cannot be claimed for any part of a work which is a copy taken from a previous work. For example, in a piece of music featuring samples from a previous work, the copyright of the samples would still remain with the original author.

Only the owner, or his exclusive licensee can bring proceedings in the courts.

Duration of copyright
The 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act states the duration of copyright as;

For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works
70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.

If the author is unknown, copyright will last for 70 years from end of the calendar year in which the work was created, although if it is made available to the public during that time, (by publication, authorised performance, broadcast, exhibition, etc.), then the duration will be 70 years from the end of the year that the work was first made available.

Sound Recordings and broadcasts
50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was created, or,

if the work is released within that time: 50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was first released.

Films
70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last principal director, author or composer dies.

If the work is of unknown authorship: 70 years from end of the calendar year of creation, or if made available to the public in that time, 70 years from the end of the year the film was first made available.

Typographical arrangement of published editions
25 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was first published.

Broadcasts and cable programmes
50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the broadcast was made.

Crown Copyright
Crown copyright will exist in works made by an officer of the Crown, this includes items such as legislation and documents and reports produced by government bodies.

Crown Copyright will last for a period of 125 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was made.

If the work was commercially published within 75 years of the end of the calendar year in which it was made, Crown copyright will last for 50 years from the end of the calendar year in which it was published.

Parliamentary Copyright
Parliamentary Copyright will apply to work that is made by or under the direction or control of the House of Commons or the House of Lords and will last until 50 years from the end of the calendar year in which the work was made.

Restricted acts
It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:

Copy the work.

Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.

Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.

Adapt the work.

The author of a work, or a director of a film may also have certain moral rights:

The right to be identified as the author.

Right to object to derogatory treatment.

Acts that are allowed
Fair dealing is a term used to describe acts which are permitted to a certain degree without infringing the work, these acts are:

Private and research study purposes.
Performance, copies or lending for educational purposes.
Criticism and news reporting.
Incidental inclusion.
Copies and lending by librarians.
Acts for the purposes of royal commissions, statutory enquiries, judicial proceedings and parliamentary purposes.
Recording of broadcasts for the purposes of listening to or viewing at a more convenient time, this is known as time shifting.
Producing a back up copy for personal use of a computer program.
Playing sound recording for a non profit making organisation, club or society.
(Profit making organisations and individuals should obtain a license from PRS for Music.)

Useful addresses
Intellectual Property Office

Concept House

Cardiff Road

Newport

South Wales

NP10 8QQ

Tel: 0300 300 2000

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PRS for Music

29-33 Berners Street

London

W1P 4AA

Tel. (0207) 580 5544

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Copyright Licensing Agency

Saffron House

6-10 Kirby Street

London

EC1N 8TS

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Further reading
The original text for the 1988 Copyright Designs and Patent Act can be found at the OSPI (HMSO) website, but should be read in conjunction with all the relevant updates and statutory instruments.
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 1:08 pm

Hello gentlemen

Well in this case if they do not want to take their propriétée, if they did not put them on the web.

and in any case "Quand on a pas le droit on a le gauche"

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 4:11 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
Hello gentlemen

Well in this case if they do not want to take their propriétée, if they did not put them on the web.

and in any case "Quand on a pas le droit on a le gauche"

Cheers

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This is popular misconception; anything published on the Internet is in the public domain.

Publication of material in any form (including a digital medium) does not absolve the user from their observance of copyright law neither does such publication alter the protection afforded the author.

As stated; fair use applies in the circumstance where such material is used for personal study.

However it could be construed that an open forum such as this is not personal study but a public forum. Hence it is always wise to obtain the permission of the owner or to state the ownership of such material.

This subject comes up quite commonly in genealogy in the UK. Crown Copyright subsists on all official documents produced. So whilst it is possible to have a copy of a birth certificate and include it in a file for someone else to view, it is a violation of copyright for someone else to make a copy of that and then use it somewhere else. They must obtain their own copy and pay for it.

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 8:11 pm

My understanding is that any images/ material on the internet is already in the public domain and is the property of anyone who cares to look at it. You put a pic of yourself on your facebook page, and any one of 7 billion people can download it, put horns and a funny beard on it, distort it and post it back up again on their page, print it out and stick it up oin the noticeboard at work. Once on the internet, it is no longer your property, it is anyone's.
If you want to post up a new image to the www, from something in the public domain, a book or magazine, for example, the right thing to do is to acknowledge it and reference the source, eg, title of book, author, isbn number etc. No need to get permission as the material is already in the public domain.
Obviously, anything unpublished, for example a private, or a borrowed photo from an album or collection, you would need to obtain my permission of the owner of the image.
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 9:25 pm

Right had lunch with my college. And the copyright issue is a very complicated system. To cut a long story short. Admin has obviously doe hie his home work. " Fair use notice" this allows images to be posted, but if someone claims they have copyright. It can go into discussion with Admin where upon it will be agreed to remove or leave. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 9:30 pm

Hi All

Good to see that we could post some of the images that we find.

Well done to Admin. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyWed Feb 01, 2012 9:48 pm

Thanks for you kind comments 1879Graves. The Fair use notice is now scrolling acorss the home page. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyThu Feb 02, 2012 1:32 pm

Hi dear Rob

This will not be copied simply put anything on the web or work out that this is not always a computer ...

Now no one earns money through this forum (well I hope not too ...)

Indirectly, there is a lot of free publicity for books of the historians and for the manufacturers of figurines, so they will not complain when their writings or pictures of their products are on the forum ...

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyThu Feb 02, 2012 1:39 pm

Just so every one knows, I will continue not to charge for my posts. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyThu Feb 02, 2012 1:45 pm

Springbok,you are right! Wink

Do you pay off! :lol:

Cheers Pascal Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyThu Feb 02, 2012 2:31 pm

Makes sense. regarding the scrolling fair notice.
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyThu Feb 02, 2012 5:35 pm

Bonsoir à tous

Anyway I do not care I do not ever post pictures ...

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyThu Feb 02, 2012 10:06 pm

Quote :
Bonsoir à tous

Anyway I do not care I do not ever post pictures ...

Cheers

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Pascal should have posted this first. :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyFri Feb 03, 2012 7:31 am

Hello

Oh, I forgot and it's one of my favorites :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyFri Feb 03, 2012 7:35 am

But where is the emoticons who looks up, nonchalantly, whistling? Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyFri Feb 03, 2012 9:25 am

What i do not understand is how someone in 2012 can own the copyright of a photo taken 100 years ago and not passed down through the family ?

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptyFri Feb 03, 2012 1:15 pm

Hi GarryWilson

It's like this, they are those who are ready to make money with anything, especially if it is not tiring to win as well ...

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySat Feb 04, 2012 7:55 am

Oui, exactement. Mais si une photo vieille de 100 ans est "copyright" et j'ai une copie de celui-ci à la même période suis-je interdit de le mettre on -line ?

What i want to know is if an old photo comes into the possesion of someone , how can thay copyright it ? There make be other original copies of the same image in other peoples possesion who are quite happy to share .

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySat Feb 04, 2012 2:06 pm

Bonjour Gary

Moi a ta place je la mettrais en ligne,car de toute façons celà coûte trop cher de porter plainte,les avocats ce n'est pas gratuit...

Bravo pour ton français...

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PostSubject: Copyright    Copyright of Images EmptySat Feb 04, 2012 2:32 pm

Hi all,

Rob is right, this copyright issue is quite tricky.
Family pictures posted will defintely be copyrighted as will copies or extracts of family papers.
Our friend Julian Assange is in quite a spot of bother right now over this as well as an English student who is resisting extradition from Britain to the USA, for the same reason.
So, rather get permission, it will be safer.

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySat Feb 04, 2012 5:45 pm

Bonsoir Barry

They want to extradite someone to a case like that scratch ?

What a bunch of morons ... Mad

And after, it will be what, the prison scratch ?

What a bunch of morons... :evil:

And after, it will be what, the social death penalty Sad ?

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 8:21 am

Bonjour Pascal, mon intérêt principal est la généalogie. Mon arbre généalogique est on -line et dispose de toutes mes photos de famille qui s'y rattachent. J'aurais peut-être le droit d'auteur eux et essayer de faire de l'argent!

Barry , my Family pictures are on my Family tree for all to see - they are not copyrighted . That is exactly my point - my great grandmother had more than 10 children , at least 3 of her decendents have the same photo of her and i suspect others may exist . How can 1 person hold the copyright of a picture of which multiple original copies are in existence ?

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 8:53 am

Bonjour Garry avec un seul " r "

L'argent n'a de la valeur que si il est gagné durement...

T'inquiete pas avec les droits de copies sur le web ,la majorité des gens s'en moque,et ils on t raison...

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 9:00 am

The fair notice. Is a good idea. This forum is acknowledging that images are used for educational and research purposes and no

Images / Text can be removed if requested by copyright holders.

As a secondary precaution is always advisable to post the source if available at location of find.



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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 10:42 am

Hi

Bravo Monsieur, this is the voice of reason, ...

Those who want to be removed their propriétées of the forum, just have to ask ...
Encore Bravo Salute

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 12:45 pm

Hi

I'm not sure if the Zulu army had attacked LC then they would have had hell of a fight on their hands. I believe that I'm right in thinking there were more troops with LC and the Zulu's would have had to totally re-organise to form the horns of the buffalo. Someone described it as a single shot that once is fired, you have no going back, with minimal preperation I don't think that it would have been well executed.

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 2:01 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 3:35 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
scratch

As you can probably tell, I posted this in the wrong subject!

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PostSubject: Re: Copyright of Images   Copyright of Images EmptySun Feb 05, 2012 4:26 pm

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