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PostSubject: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 7:45 am

Hi all

What book it is important not to buy on the Zulu War ...?

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PostSubject: Re: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 9:04 am

[quote="Pascal MAHE"]Hi all

What book it is important not to buy on the Zulu War ...?

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Hi Pascal,


"Zulu war 1879 The disaster at Isandhlwana" / John BARRAT (1992)
"La guerre des Zoulous" / David CLAMMER (1974)
"Isandlwana: the bitter Zulu Victory" / Carlos ROCA GONZALEZ
"The Zulu War 1879": / Alan LLYOD
"Battle story: Isandlwana 1879" / Edmund YORKE

With reserve:
"Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift" / Rupert FURNEAUX
"The men of the 24th" / Toby GIESE
"Zulu Battle Piece" Sir Reginald COUPLAND
"The Washing of the Spears" (sacrilege?) / Donald MORRIS


It's just an opinion with regard to the know historic facts today -with humility-

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PostSubject: Re: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 9:28 am

YMOB
Fully agree.
Oh yes, dont buy any book with an irish soldier and a zulu girlfriend......... its just so much C**P

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PostSubject: Re: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 9:44 am

Hello guys

Your feedback is super important, because then there will be fewer people than it was misled about the Zulu Wars and you will prevent a waste of money to many ...

Be ruthless ... I did not breathe by Rothwell and IK and now there are only JW that counts ...

And which book to find more statistics on the firing of the British infantry as those that Garry had posted?

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PostSubject: What book not to buy .   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 10:05 am

Hi Springbok .
I'd agree with ymob's choices , as you do .
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 12:53 pm

Hi Gary of Australia

When their regiment was in South Africa, although it is not engaged in the Zulu war, they keep their uniforms.

But if they come from a regiment that is on another continent?

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[Oh yes, dont buy any book with an irish soldier and a zulu girlfriend......... its just so much C**P

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Hi Springbok,

George HAMILTON-BROWNE (?) is an essential eyewitness for the events of January 1879....and a liar!!!

So, "A lost legionary" with a "pinch of salt"?

i.e C**P what do you mean? i don't understand!

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Springbok ,Garry,and you Barry everyone in your corner should write the definitive book on the Zulu War ...

julian you should write abook in French on the zulu war as you would a misfortune ...because no competitors for you in France ...

Ymob, what is the best book in French on this war?

This must not gloomy things ... Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 3:58 pm

Hi Pascal,

Regrettably, a single book in French on the zulu war (David CLAMMER).
Otherwise, i shall not gest bored to buy books in English -an impossible langage for me!!!! :lol:
I am agree with you (Julain WHYBRA - a meticulous researcher)

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"La guerre des Zoulous" / David CLAMMER (1974) =Bad book ?
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PostSubject: Re: What book ...   What book ... EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 9:46 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
"La guerre des Zoulous" / David CLAMMER (1974) =Bad book ?
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Bonsoir Pascal,


"La guerre des zoulous" (197?)de David CLAMMER is definitively a " bad book" (just my opinion).

Ses analyses notamment sur la bataille d'Isandlwana apparaissent passablement erronées à la lumière des connaissances actuelles.
A mon humble avis, c'est une pâle copie de "Washing of the Spears" de Donald MORRIS.
Pour expliquer la défaite des britanniques à Isandlwana, il reprend toutes les thèses discutées et combien discutables de MORRIS.
De plus, son ouvrage comprend un certain nombre d'erreurs factuelles grossières:
Ainsi, le Lt CURLING (R.A.) serait décédé à Isandlwana alors que le Major Stuart SMITH (R.A) aurait survécu (N.B il s'agit peut être d'une confusion issue de la traduction française ).
Toujours selon CLAMMER, le billet adressé par le Capitaine Alan GARDNER à CHELSMFORD mentionnerait "....Shepstone a demandé des renforts et fait état que les ZOULOUS se retirent". En réalité, en lieu et place du mot ZOULOUS, il convient de lire "BASUTOS".
Je crois me rappeler avoir lu sur un autre site, après avoir posé la question sur ce forum, que l'erreur initiale commise sur le témoignage de GARDNER trouverait sa source dans "Zulu Battle Piece" (1948) de Sir Reginald COUPLAND (correction apportée par Monsieur Julian WHYBRA me semble-t-il)
Pour information, cette inexactitude continue d'être reprise dans des livres relativement récents (notamment par Saul David, Ian BECKETT et R.W.D. DROOGLEVER)!!!.
Enfin, l'oeuvre de CLAMMER comprend très peu de notes.
Son seul mérite, pour l'adolescent que j'étais, est d'avoir été traduit dans la langue de Molière !

Bien à toi.

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Bonjour Frederic

Merci pour l'infos...

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