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PostSubject: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyTue Sep 18, 2012 9:28 am

I noticed that Bill Friar has added a couple of extra SAGS79 to his website - he now has a good number of medals to 1/24th . I have always found him to be a reliable dealer .

the other reason for this post is that I could never understand why there is such a premium on 1879 clasped medals to the 1/24th - presumably these would have been drafts sent out to reconstitute the 24th after Isandlwana and as such saw very little action during the balance of the war. So why pay twice what you would expect to pay for a medal to other regiments that might have seen action at Ulundi, etc . Am i missing something?
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PostSubject: Medals to the 1 / 24th .   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyTue Sep 18, 2012 10:55 am

Hi SegioD.
Agree on all points , and I've purchased a couple of SAG'S from Bill Friar and found him reliable and a pleasure to deal with .
Cheers 90th. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyTue Sep 18, 2012 10:21 pm

Not always drafts post isandhlwana, just the majority.some men who joined late 1878 or early 1879 just got the 1879 clasp. I sold a 1/24th a few years back who was killed at isandhlwana and he wasn't unique in having the 1879 clasp. Men were leaving sa and having to be replaced by drafts, right the way through the regiments (and others) postings.

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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyWed Sep 19, 2012 7:34 pm

Yes, I have a medal with 1879 clasp to a casualty. Clasp is confirmed on roll. (Not the one Jager sold btw).
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyWed Sep 19, 2012 10:13 pm

Which casaulty is the medal too with the 1879 clasp ?, like to keep a record of known medals that exist in collections Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyThu Sep 20, 2012 9:13 am

I understand that and would have no problem paying up for those medals (other than having to buy MrsD a new Mulberry). I suppose what I am querying is why a single clasp 1/24th medal to a non casualty is priced at £1000-1100 vs other regiments who took part in more action at the 500-600 price.
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyThu Sep 20, 2012 7:13 pm

SergioD wrote:
I understand that and would have no problem paying up for those medals (other than having to buy MrsD a new Mulberry). I suppose what I am querying is why a single clasp 1/24th medal to a non casualty is priced at £1000-1100 vs other regiments who took part in more action at the 500-600 price.

Association. The 1/24th were in SA for several years prior to iSandlwana and those who were present from the start of the tour - 1877-8-9 clasps - would have known very well, many of the guys who died at iSandlwana.
Having previously fought, laughed ate and snored alongside their mates, many of those who were left would probably have spent the rest of their lives regretting the fact that they were not there and so unable to help. Survivorship guilt and all that.
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 9:58 am

I agree with Tasker and Jager1, but to a degree I do not associate latecomers, or drafts with any more importance , possibly less than to say a 90th Foot who was in the thick of it.

I am custodian of the SAM to 1/24th KIA Pvt 883 J Kempster, (On loan at Brecon), no doubt to his involvement, also Holland, 2/24th, promoted corporal 23.1.79 at Rorkes Drift, out with Chelmsford 22.1.79, one wonders what he saw that night.

Did he/was he involved at Isandlwana?, in a roundabout way yes, but men of those companies no-where near the action, or just on garrison duties on the 2nd invasion, no, but as Tasker says..its association.
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 10:08 am

I agree with Neil - and to a certain extent Tasker - i suppose the association is important and if they were out with Chelmsford then fine, what prompted this question is these are 1879 clasped medals with no service records available - it seems a big leap of faith to pay twice what you would pay for a 90th .

Just thinking out loud !!

Are there any records availabe that show drafts of the 1/24th post isandlwana that could be utilised to determine when these guys went out to SA .
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 10:16 am

A good number are noted in 'The Noble 24th' as 1879 clasp and transferred to a different Regiment, so you can use that as a rough guide.

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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 1:05 pm

thanks Justin
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PostSubject: Medals to the 1 / 24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 1:17 pm

Hi Sergio .
In case you dont have it , This is very cheap - the buy of the century !.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BARGAIN-PRICE-BOOK-THE-NOBLE-24TH-ZULU-WAR-BIOGRAPHIES-OF-24TH-FOOT-MEN-/310445673269?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item4848010b35

Cheers 90th. You need to study mo .
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 1:23 pm

Thanks 90th - I do have it ( in the midst of my AZW book collection)- I think I paid a lot more Sad

I suppose I only really looked up specific casualty medals in it - using the actual rolls normally . I shall revisit it and see what other info it has to offer.!!
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PostSubject: Medals to the 1 / 24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 1:25 pm

Hi Sergio.
Me to , I think I paid 25 quid plus another 12 or so for postage !. Suspect Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes .
Cheers 90th. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 3:54 pm

Just to clarify, no, like Neil says, I can't understand the price of late draft 1879 medals, men who were not in SA at the tiime of the invasion, or in the years 1877 and 1878 prior to it. Other than ignorance on the part of the unresearched buyer, who may think their medal is to a man associated with the gallant deeds of his predecessors in the 24th up to 22-1-1879.
On the other hand, medals to the lower regimentally numbered men of the 1/24th, with 1877-8-9 clasps who were in SA for the whole campaign, have strong associations to these events. These men will also have seen action, and known many of the iSandlwana guys personally.
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 3:59 pm

I agree Tasker - I suppose that explains why these 1879 clasp medals remain unsold!!

I agree on the 1877-8-9 medals and have a couple in my collection - I just wasnt sure if I was missing something on the 1879 medals.

Cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 4:19 pm

Tasker which casualty medal do you have in your collection? Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 5:22 pm

TOWERBOY, I would prefer to not post details of my collection on the web. Hope you understand.
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 5:29 pm

thats a pity Tasker - I had my mask, striped tee shirt and bag marked swag ready !! :lol:
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PostSubject: Re: Medals to the 1/24th   Medals to the 1/24th EmptyFri Sep 21, 2012 6:48 pm

Tasker just wondered which Zulu casaulty medal you had, only need a number & a name, i dont have a casualty medal but one with a 1877-8 clasp to a 363 Pte. T.Keefe. 1/24th Salute
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