Colour-Sergeant M.C. Keane

Subject: Colour-Sergeant M.C. Keane Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:37 pm

Anyone know where the thread is regarding this?

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It was proved that the remains were Keane's.

Subject: Re: Colour-Sergeant M.C. Keane Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:55 pm

I can find no proof out there. In 2009 they were hoping to match DNA with a descendant. There has been no word since.
Anyone heard anything?

Subject: Re: Colour-Sergeant M.C. Keane Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:23 pm

Just worth pointing out that the photo in the Daily Mail article, link my post of 15.37 today is not necessarily that of Micael Keane.

This from member "isandhlwana" of rootschat forum:

"The photograph of a member of the General Staff Corps, was taken in Cape Town in 1880, that was used by The Daily Mail is from my collection and was used without my authority. I have had an apology from AMAFA, but not from The Daily Mail. "

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Although its likely, it hasn't been proven that its Keane's body.

Happy New Year
Sam

Subject: Colour - Sgt M.C.Keane Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:12 pm

John.
It was never proved conclusively the remains were of CLR -SGT Keane ! . Tasker is correct , the last I heard as has Tasker was that there was to be some type of DNA Test and as far as I'm aware that's the last I / we've heard ! . If it was to be done in 2009 !
and here we are about to go to 2013 ( I'm here already ! ) I dont think it will ever be proven one way or another .
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It was the button that was found near the remains, that suggested it was Keane. As he was the only one present at Isandlwana who would have had that particular button. So it does narrow it down some what.

Quote :: Just worth pointing out that the photo in the Daily Mail article, link my post of 15.37 today is not necessarily that of Micael Keane.

"The photograph of a member of the General Staff Corps, was taken in Cape Town in 1880, that was used by The Daily Mail is from my collection and was used without my authority. I have had an apology from AMAFA, but not from The Daily Mail.

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This was by John Young. Who used the image with regards to the cap badge only.

It will take many years to establish who the remains belong to, the y have to find Keane's descendants.

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This is the link to the General Staff button discussion. Associated with Keane.

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Subject: Clr Sgt Keane Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:53 pm

Hi Dave .
I know what your saying Dave , I know the story but one button is neither hear nor there ! . What if Keane was killed in the camp and the zulu who killed him took his jacket , and was himself killed later wearing Keane's Jacket ! . It may be a zulu for all we know , the button could also have come off as keane passed the place where it fell , and another person met their end at the same place . It's all speculation which unfortunately may never be resolved as I said one way or the other . Would certainly be a great story if it did prove to be Keane .
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If you read the thread in its entirety, that were many reasons given to how the button may have got to where it was found. Its also possible it was dropped there years after, down to a bird picking it up a dropping it.

I'm not ever sure if it was established if it was the remains of a European?

Subject: Clr Sgt Keane Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:07 pm

Correct ! . Would be fantastic if it could be proven to be Keane wouldnt it ?
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Even better if it was Hall the meat contractor.

Subject: Re: Colour-Sergeant M.C. Keane Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:13 pm

Unfortunately, all that can be said so far is that the button that was found "probably" came from Keane's jacket.

Subject: Re: Colour-Sergeant M.C. Keane Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:09 pm

It's a pity we don't know Keane's movements that day, would be good to place him near the sport where the remains were found.

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Regarding Colour Sergeant Keane, does anyone know anything about his service history?

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This from the DN Website.

"Colour-Sergeant M. C. Keane was killed in action at Isandhlwana on 22 January 1879. He was serving as Staff Clerk to Colonel John Crealock, Military Secretary to Lord Chelmsford, commanding the forces in Zululand, and was the only member of the General Staff to be killed at Isandhlwana.

In 2009 his remains were supposedly discovered and identified by means of a General Staff Corps button found close to the skeleton. Archaeologists found it during excavations being carried out by Amafa, the heritage organisation responsible for the protection of the historic battlefield. Amafa spokesman Mr Konigkramer said the finding had helped historians build up a clear picture of what had happened to the young Colour-Sergeant during the bloody battle, in which 1,350 British troops were slaughtered by 22,000 Zulu warriors. Mr Konigkramer said: ‘Keane was not a front-line soldier and was likely one of the last to abandon camp at Isandlwana when it was obvious the Zulu were overwhelming it. He was staff clerk to Colonel John Crealock, military secretary to Lord Chelmsford, commander of the British invasion of Zululand. He was probably on horseback which would explain his body being found some way down the Fugitives Trail along which survivors fled towards the uMzinyathi river and the safety of Natal. He was probably speared by a warrior in the part of the Zulu army which had snaked behind Isandlwana mountain to trap the fugitives. His body was found alone which is unusual.’ He added: ‘If the button had come from the uniform of a soldier of the 24th Regiment, he could never have been identified as hundreds of them died at Isandlwana and are among the 1,300 men buried there.’