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Subject: Stories of pouches... Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:27 am
Hi all
Please ,corrections requested, if it is necessary ...
In the 1879 Zulu war ,after Michael Barthorp in his book "The British Army on Campaign 1856-1881",the pouches :
Of the 3 rd Line Infantry were buff. Of the 4 th Line Infantry were buff. Of the 13 th Light Infantry were black. Of the 21 st Line Infantry were buff. Of the 24 th Line Infantry were buff. Of the 57 th Line Infantry were buff. Of the 58 th Line Infantry were buff. Of the 60 th Rifles were black. Of the 80 th Line Infantry were buff. Of the 88 th Line Infantry were buff. Of the 90 th Light Infantry were buff. Of the 91 st Line Infantry were black. Of the 94 th Line Infantry were of both types , buff and black. Of the 99 th Line Infantry were buff.
After IK in his book "British Forces in Zululand 1879 ",all the expense pouch were black ,but in some regiments they were sometimes worn in place of the valise, at the back of the belt?
In which regiments please? No ?
Cheers
Rascal
John Young
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Subject: Re: Stories of pouches... Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:20 pm
Pascal,
The pouches were of whatever colour was available.
As I pointed out in my photograph of the 57th there was a Corporal wearing black pouches, there is no norm.
I beg to differ with what Michael Barthorp writes on page 41 of The British Army on Campaign (3), it is a sweeping statement.
I have a photograph - which I'll try and find - which shows a regular British soldier in the field in Zululand wearing the cross strap and pouch of the Snider-Enfield period equipment. There are no hard and fast rules the men used whatever they could.
John Y.
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Subject: Re: Stories of pouches... Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:27 am
John if you say, is that this is true, I believe you as I believe Julian in other areas of the war ...
What misery for me, who loves so much, regimental peculiarities ...
I dare to hope that in the same section, half company or company, the equipment had a certain uniformity ...
Rascal
John Young
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Subject: Re: Stories of pouches... Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:20 pm
Pascal,
As promised, look beyond the carnage of the dead cattle at the two soldiers.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Transport Problems - Zululand. John Young Collection
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Transport Problems - Zululand (Close-up) John Young Collection
Can you see the pouch on the right hip of the soldier on the left? It is from the equipment worn with the Snider-Enfield rifle.
John Y.
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Subject: Re: Stories of pouches... Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:59 am
Yes thank you John ,now it's really hell for me!
It's the 1859 model, 50 - pound hand pouch ...!
If it had not been on that side, I would have mistaken for a haversack ...
John, look at the length of the rifle even without the bayonet, it looks like a snider, so it is long ... Or maybe it is the soldier that is small ...
Now it would be interesting to know what battalion he belongs ...
Rascal
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Subject: Re: Stories of pouches... Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:03 am