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PostSubject: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptySun Aug 31, 2014 8:49 pm

This man appears in the Noble 24th and on the medal roll. I have discovered an interesting little story and a photograph, but I wanted to see if anyone has come across him first.

1879 Graves - do you happen to have his papers by any chance?

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Yes I do Steve
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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptySun Aug 31, 2014 8:57 pm

I will post them for you soon

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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptySun Aug 31, 2014 9:05 pm

Many thanks Graves. Now that's what I call service!

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There you go Steve.
Looking forward to your findings

Hang on Steve
Just Deleted image three as it is incorrect

Now Image three ok LOL
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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptySun Aug 31, 2014 9:54 pm

That all ties in nicely thanks Graves. Image 3 had me scratching my head for a moment though!

I will post the story shortly.

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PostSubject: Sgt John Morgan 2 / 24th    2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyMon Sep 01, 2014 12:45 am

Hi Steve
I'm also looking forward to reading what you may have uncovered ! You need to study mo .
Well done Graves for the quick work ! agree
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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyMon Sep 01, 2014 6:47 pm

I discovered the following story about this soldier and his family on the Flickr website.

First thing to say is that it took a bit of detective work to identify the soldier as 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan of the 2/24th.  You will see from the narrative family history that follows that the soldier is never named. But the marriage details were enough to track down the husband and the service papers helpfully posted by Graves confirm we have the right man.  For interest I have attached a number of documents that corroborate the details in the narrative.

The next thing to say, for those eagle eyed amongst you, is that the photograph shows John Morgan in his later ASC uniform.

Finally, I turn to some interesting statements in the narrative about John’s time with the 2/24th. Note his medal is still in the family, as is an assegai he brought back (love the name they have given it “the one that missed”).

But the story about him and a small group of men going forward into Zululand, ahead of the central column, to level some ground for tents. - then going missing, believed dead, is intriguing.  Has anyone come across anything like that?  Could it be something to do with the companies under Major Dunbar 2/24th clearing bush to protect the work parties on the road (page 228 of Zulu Rising). Or is it just a bit of confused story telling about Chelmsford  later  leaving the camp?

Note that the copyright for the photograph remains with the poster on Flickr, but it has been there for 7 years and had over 3000 views (how have we missed it?).


“The fellow in the uniform is my great grandfather. He was born in Castlewellan (County Down) Ireland in 1849. Military records describe him as a "labourer" in 1869 when he enlisted in the British Army in Preston, Lancashire at the age of 19. Preston is across the Irish Sea, some 150 miles east of Castlewellan. In the Ireland of those days, emigration and the army were among the few viable alternatives to poverty and hunger.
In December 1870, the young soldier set sail for India, and arrived in Secunderabad with a case of pneumonia.
In 1873, he was transfered back to Britain, and spent the next five years posted in Netley, Brecon, Warley, Aldershot, Dover, and Chatham. In 1876, he graduated from the School of Military Engineering in Chatham.
On January 4, 1978 he married the 18-year old Rose Eccles at the Parish Church in Newry, Ireland. She is depicted in the photo above c.1894.
The soldier rapidly attained the rank of Pioneer Sergeant. Six months after his wedding, he was shipped off to southern Africa to participate in the invasion of Zululand.
The debacle at Islandlwana shocked the British Empire, for such a loss to a spear-carrying indigenous population was without precedent in the 19th century. The two girls in the photo informed me years later that the Pioneer Sergeant missed the slaughter because he and three colleagues had been sent a day ahead of the invading army, deep into the heart of Zululand, in order to build tent platforms for the upper-class officer corps. The wily Zulus decided to let these four little fish pass, and wait patiently for the big one, which they then decisively dispatched. Meanwhile the four “engineers” were lost behind enemy lines for three weeks. Rose was informed, erroneously, that her husband had been killed.
The soldier's South Africa Medal is in our possession, as is an assegai (a Zulu spear). We refer to the assegai as the one that missed… And it’s a good thing too, otherwise this Flickr story would have ended abruptly in 1879.
In 1880, the Pioneer Sergeant was transferred to Gibralta. Eight months later, he was sent back to Secunderabad, this time with the wife in tow. Four years later he was transferred to Madras where the little boy in the photo (my grandfather) was born in 1885.
The Pioneer Sergeant was discharged from the Army in August 1887. Of his remaining life we know little, except that the youngest child in the photo (Alice) was born in Devonport in 1890. UK census records indicate that the retired soldier signed on with the Army Service Corps, and that in April 1891 the family was residing in Ford Staddon just east of Plymouth. They accounted for five of the fort's eight residents. The census refers to the soldier's position as Barrack Sergeant.
The Pioneer Sergeant passed away at the age of 47, shortly after this photo was taken.”
[i]On August 13, 1895, Rose and the children arrived in New York aboard the SS Berlin, then caught a train to Lawrence, Massachusetts where they took up residence with two of her brothers near the Arlington Mills. The three children worked in the textile mill.




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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyMon Sep 01, 2014 7:15 pm

Great Find Steve

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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyMon Sep 01, 2014 8:10 pm

Steve wrote:
believed dead, is intriguing.  Has anyone come across anything like that
?


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PostSubject: 2219 Pioneer Sgt John Morgan 2/24th    2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyTue Sep 02, 2014 9:26 am

Hi Steve
Cant say that I remember anything like what you asked happening in any of the books I've read You need to study mo . I do know of Dunbar clearing scrub / bush etc , but nothing like what you ask of . Excellent work Steve .
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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyTue Sep 02, 2014 9:35 am

Great work Rusteze.
About your question: a mystery for me!
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PostSubject: Re: 2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th   2219 Pioneer Sergeant John Morgan 2/24th EmptyWed Oct 12, 2022 10:55 am

Hi All,
Not 100% on this one, John Morgan dies about 1895 then his wife goes to America Aug 1895.
A, J Morgan is Buried Milehouse Stoke Demerel Cemetery 15 Feb 1895 Sec A Row 6 in a common Grave. This would all fit. I think the Cemetery no longer exists with the stones moved to another cemetery in Plymouth.
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