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rusteze,

Are you saying that QV was irrelevant with regards to military matters or are you saying that she was irrelevant because it was a constitutional monarchy. Didn't she have influence over matters regarding the poor and their housing (Royal Commission on Housing) she was influential in mediating on the issue of the Irish Church Disestablishment Act of 1869 and the 1884 reform act. She was a firm supporter of the British Empire, she supported improvements within education and Hospitals, the list goes on. In my opinion QV was never irrelevant.
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What I am saying is she was irrelevant largely because it was a constitutional monarchy (exactly as it should be).  I am not saying her heart was not sometimes in the right place, but I am not aware of any significant move on her part that went against anything the government wanted to do, particularly if it was a Conservative government. I am not sure what being a firm supporter of Empire means. if it means maximising the returns to the UK, upholding a British way of life, "civilising" the natives and protecting the trade routes with the Royal Navy then yes I think she was. In terms of relevance to this forum I don't think her endorsement, or otherwise, of military strategy has any basis in expertise and should not be regarded as significant. Perhaps inconsequential is a better word than irrelevant.

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I think she supported Lord C simply because she liked him. It was not a decision, based on any other considerations.

Purely my opinion of course.
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rusteze,

I'm in full agreement with you on the term 'inconsequential'.

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Martini-Henry wrote:
I think she supported Lord C simply because she liked him. It was not a decision, based on any other considerations.

Purely my opinion of course.

I reckon your right with that, QV was apparently very vocal in private about who she liked and didn't like. LC was on the 'like list' I guess LC couldn't put a foot wrong in her eyes.
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Dave I was replying to ctsg's post where he thought she was the greatest Queen England ever had , or because of his sloppy punctuation he may have been referring to Frank as the best Queen England's ever had , which doesnt make sense he's the Queen Bee of Sth Africa !! Very Happy . Hope this made sense to you ? . Shocked
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I do wonder however if Victoria was influenced by Mr Brown on this issue as much as on others?
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Frank that's not nice.. I remember time when he stuck up for you.
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All this ballyhoo reminds of the 1882 satrical work Mrs Brown and King Cetewayo, by Arthur Sketchley.

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Luckily Mr Brown was Scottish and not Welsh.. Hey Martin!
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No no one wants to be seduced by a Welsh hoax!
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John wrote:
Frank Allewell wrote:
I do wonder however if Victoria was influenced by Mr Brown on this issue as much as on others?
CTSG your a pratt. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Frank that's not nice.. I remember time when he stuck up for you.

Sticks and Stones John.

Funny really as I stuck for frank only the other day.
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Meanwhile Lord Chelmsford was urgently burying all the evidence that could be used against him. He propagated the myth that a shortage of ammunition led to defeat at Isandlwana. He ensured that potential witnesses to his errors were unable to speak out. Even more significantly, he tried to push blame for the defeat onto Colonel Durnford, now dead, claiming that Durnford had disobeyed orders to defend the camp. The truth is that no orders were ever given to Durnford to take command. Chelmsford's behaviour, in retrospect, is unforgivable. Many generals blunder in war, but few go to such lengths to avoid responsibility.


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The above Written by Saul David.
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Dave wrote:
The above Written by Saul David.

Yep, its not something I would say,



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Helps to name the source. If you know it.
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I'm sure it was an oversight Dave.
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Hi M/H

It was an oversight, copied and pasted from my old notes, didn't include authors name, it wasn't deliberate. I was just throwing it out there!


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Bonjour waterloo,

scratch

See your post (yesterday 7.12pm), you cited the name of the author (Saul David)!
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Bonjour ymob,

Kind of you to point out that I had cited the author but I did so only after an edit, my mistake.

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Should Lord Chelmsford have fallen in line with Barle Frere's desire for war?
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