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Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:13 am | |
| Barry Im not to clued up on the ammo side, would there have been any compatibility with the Carbineers weapons and the MH? Second point to that of course is that the Carbs tent area was within meters of the present Colonial cemetery. The original road ran to the North of the cemetery and the carbineers tents were adjacent to the road so the distance between the colonials/Durnford stand and ammunition was a matter of meters, possible 100 or so. Small parts of the puzzle start to join up, interestingly we now have a small party, 2 carbineers and a couple of 24th men facing south towards the left horns outflanking warriors, sheltered behind a wall. To the rear of them is Scott with more men facing down the hill towards the dongar, ammunition is at hand, and Durnford is retreating across the face of the camp to join them. QM Pullen was trying to rally troop to protect the West side of those men. Mike Snooks battle synopsis is starting to come to life. There does also exist then that the fire from that small pocket was forcing the left horn higher up towards Malahbamkosi. Speculation I know. This area was part of the famous Knight dig, designated as Area 4, that turned up some MH cartridge cases ,2, and a belt buckle.
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| | | ymob
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:22 am | |
| Bonjour franck, Where are the survivors of the Pope's Coy in your scenario? Cheers frédéric |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:07 am | |
| Hi Frederic Truth is nobody knows. However Ive long held the opinion, totally opposite Mike Snook Im afraid, that Popes Company were part of the Colonials/Durnford stand. That's why I believe that Popes burial place is the cairn directly below the colonial cemetery. MS as you know has them all dead and buried down in the donga, he tends to ignore facts that he doesn't like, such as the lack of cairns and the sighting of Pope on the saddle.
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3955 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:21 am | |
| And then there is the evidence of Bassage... |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:35 am | |
| Bassage indeed, I question his diary entry..........G Company with very few exceptions.......... There just isn't that quantity of cairns that low down. Aprox 175 men would equal over 25 cairns, they aren't there. And again the evidence of Pope and Godwen Austin fighting in the area of the saddle. Nope for me Bassage got it wrong in terms of his estimation of the number of bodies at the Mpofane. And Snook gets it wrong by commenting that Pope had the longest distance to travel to get to the saddle, H company did and a big chunk did get there. As the very best Victorian novels say.............bah humbug
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| | | ymob
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:37 am | |
| Frank, Totally agree with you about Pope's Coy. Before to read your last post, I had a (little) doubt about your thoughts about Pope's coy with your reference to Snook ("MS battle synopsis is starting to come to life"). Bassage effectively (MR Whybra) Cheers
Frédéric |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:18 pm | |
| Just a thought. This find has some mileage in it and needs its own thread.
Steve |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:23 pm | |
| Your probably right Steve, maybe in his wisdom Pete will split things up. Theres a couple of other 'finds' in the offing as well, nothing Earth shattering just bits to tie together other bits.
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| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:58 pm | |
| I have taken some grabs from GE of the area you mentioned for the wall. Just out of interest I have compared the 2003, 20013 and 20016 shots. Some changes I think, particularly in the vegetation. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Can you point out the Kraal? Steve |
| | | Frank Allewell
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| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:10 pm | |
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| | | 90th
Posts : 10882 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: wagons at isandlwana Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:47 pm | |
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| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:57 pm | |
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| | | xhosa2000
Posts : 1183 Join date : 2015-11-24
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:32 pm | |
| Take it easy Gary, can't wait to hear the results.. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3237 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:59 pm | |
| Gary,
Let me know when "The Galloping Major" arrives!
JY |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Wagons at Isandlwana Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:41 pm | |
| And more to the point if he has recovered. |
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Posts : 1183 Join date : 2015-11-24
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