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PostSubject: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptySun Dec 17, 2017 1:39 pm

I picked up an interesting military photo album yesterday - much later than AZW but I think it gives an excellent impression of just what a marching column in rugged hostile territory looked like. From what I have discovered so far, it is the British campaign against the Waziri tribes in Waziristan and the NW Frontier of India. But to me it is very evocative of how Chelmsford's column must have looked wending its way towards Isandhlwana. The single column of carts and marching men stretches back for miles on the rough single track road. Just as an aside, I would not have fancied being on the hospital camels very much!

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptySun Dec 17, 2017 5:17 pm

Hi Steve,

particularly when you read that some of the 'cape' wagons were pulled by 16 oxen (albeit two abreast), logistically it must have been a nightmare.

The column in your photo looks very vulnerable to attack.

I have read that the vanguard of Roman legion was building its next marching camp before the reaguard had left its old one....

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptySun Dec 17, 2017 6:27 pm

They apparently deployed 60,000 British/Indian troops to try and bring 4,000 Waziris to battle and didn't manage it. Do we ever learn in Afghanistan/NW Frontier?
Heres another picture with an Imperial battalion in the lead, complete with bugles and band - no idea which one at this point. The tactics really hadn't changed in 50 years.
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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptySun Dec 17, 2017 9:06 pm

Shades of Gunga Din & The Drum.

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptySun Dec 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Indeed! Thinking about which regiment, I count 20 buglers without drums. Does that narrow it down to a rifle battalion of a light infantry regiment?

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 5:36 am

Steve,

I was going to suggest that until I discovered that there were no Light Infantry or Rifle regiments in the 1921 Waziristan Campaign, I will use pre-1881 numbers as that how I work, they were the 2nd; 23rd; 34th; 41st; 45th & 49th.

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 12:23 pm

We had so many bites of the Waziristan cherry between the wars it is hard to know which one is depicted. I have spotted some Crossley armoured cars in another photo (one named De Lisle I think) which probably puts it some time after 1925.

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 12:28 pm

Steve,

There’s a similar photograph of the one of the battalions of the Northamptonshire Regegiment crossing the same bridge circa 1937, marching up from Peshawar.

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 1:52 pm

Well done JY - definitely the same place. But is it the same time? Look at the stone capping pillars on the bridge - higher in my photo?

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Steve,

The webbing worn in your photograph appears to be of an earlier pattern.

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyMon Dec 18, 2017 10:20 pm

It is the Shinki Bridge over the Tochi River south of Bannu in Waziristan. Peter Harringtons have another example of the photo album with a different set of pictures, but showing the KRRC in 1926. I think it is the same KRRC battalion in my photo. The bridge was a popular photo opportunity it seems - I found another of the Ist Royal Berkshire Regiment Machine Gun Battalion marching over it. Back to the AZW I think before someone complains!

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyTue Dec 19, 2017 12:36 pm

No complaint's from me.. welcome diversion and interesting. i got a
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dealer on the planet, definitely deep pocket's required with that one.
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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyTue Dec 19, 2017 6:31 pm

Oh I agree. But one thing to be said for the top end dealers is how good you feel when you discover a comparable copy at a fraction of their price!

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PostSubject: Re: A marching column.   A marching column. EmptyTue Dec 19, 2017 7:32 pm

Hmmm, that's so right, i picked up another copy of Cetshwayo's Dutchman; being the private journal of a white trader in Zululand during the British invasion.. £11.00. ist ed. that was two week's ago.
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