Latest topics | » 1409 Pte David Lloyd, Defender of Rorke's DriftToday at 8:48 pm by Julian Whybra » The curious tale of Cetshwayo's "gunpowder depot" and an aggressive snakeYesterday at 9:36 am by Hobbes » Anson A. Mayer/MaherTue Apr 23, 2024 7:10 pm by cmeghen » Late Father's Militaria CollectionSun Apr 21, 2024 2:16 pm by Julian Whybra » A Hungarian soldier in the Zulu War (?)Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:28 am by Eddie » Lieut. B. Pohl, No. 7 Coy 1/3 Natal Native ContingentSat Apr 20, 2024 9:26 am by SRB1965 » Alfred Fairlie Henderson photographs.Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:04 am by John Young » No. 985. PTE. EDWARD READ. 2-24 Regt. (South Wales Borders).Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:12 pm by Julian Whybra » Private Willis 2/24th Regiment his letter from South AfricaSat Apr 13, 2024 2:49 pm by 1879graves » Sickness among Crealock's menFri Apr 12, 2024 4:52 pm by Hobbes » Wheeler John Cantwell DCM, RD survivor of the Royal Horse ArtilleryTue Apr 09, 2024 5:20 pm by Kenny » Brevet Major W.R.B. ChamberlinSun Apr 07, 2024 5:44 pm by Jager1 » Private 1941 Samuel MacClue / McClune 1/24th RegimentSun Apr 07, 2024 3:11 pm by Dash » Sergeant W E Warren RA - VeteranSun Apr 07, 2024 10:50 am by DavidS » "With 6 good riflemen"Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:10 pm by Hobbes » Punch's view of Chelmsford's tactics!Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:17 pm by SRB1965 » Colonialism: A Moral LegacyMon Apr 01, 2024 11:16 am by Julian Whybra » John Robert DunnSat Mar 30, 2024 12:09 pm by 90th » An early memorial to the Prince Imperial?Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:35 am by John Young » The Poem "A Child Hero" referring to Rupert WeatherleyFri Mar 29, 2024 1:07 pm by Bongo » Writing adviceTue Mar 26, 2024 2:26 pm by Julian Whybra » Private John Scott 24th Regiment a fugitive at largeWed Mar 20, 2024 12:53 pm by Dash » Your favourite line from Zulu or Zulu DawnTue Mar 19, 2024 4:52 pm by Julian Whybra » 100,000 posts!Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:20 pm by Julian Whybra » Zulu Dawn/Zulu - New Immortals Film The Way Forward ?Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:34 pm by jgregory » Badge on 2/60th and 3/60th foreign service helmets Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:05 am by John Young » Corporal James Frowen Williams F Company. Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:08 am by Julian Whybra » British rations and moraleMon Mar 11, 2024 11:05 pm by Julian Whybra » Blue Plaque to James Egan, alias Private HaganMon Mar 11, 2024 9:16 pm by ADMIN» A few questions regarding Rorke's Drift and IsandlwanaWed Mar 06, 2024 9:16 pm by Julian Whybra » William J Hoare 24th Regiment??Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:08 pm by Dash » Swinburn Carbine issue in AZWThu Feb 29, 2024 12:53 pm by Rob D » Australians who went to Zululand and fought in the 1879 war.Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:39 am by John Young » Philip Price Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:55 am by Julian Whybra » Alfred Fairlie Henderson Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:47 am by RoryReynolds |
April 2024 | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | Sun |
---|
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | | | | | | Calendar |
|
Top posting users this month | |
New topics | » The curious tale of Cetshwayo's "gunpowder depot" and an aggressive snakeWed Apr 24, 2024 3:26 pm by Hobbes » Lieut. B. Pohl, No. 7 Coy 1/3 Natal Native ContingentSat Apr 20, 2024 12:38 am by WeekendWarrior » Alfred Fairlie Henderson photographs.Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:04 am by John Young » Late Father's Militaria CollectionThu Apr 18, 2024 3:04 pm by A Crockart » Anson A. Mayer/MaherTue Apr 16, 2024 5:28 pm by cmeghen » A Hungarian soldier in the Zulu War (?)Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:01 pm by Hobbes » Sickness among Crealock's menThu Apr 11, 2024 8:51 pm by Hobbes » Wheeler John Cantwell DCM, RD survivor of the Royal Horse ArtillerySun Apr 07, 2024 9:36 pm by Hobbes » John Robert DunnSat Mar 30, 2024 11:47 am by SueSNB |
Zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. |
Due to recent events on this forum, we have now imposed a zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. All reports will be treated seriously, and will lead to a permanent ban of both membership and IP address.
Any member blatantly corresponding in a deliberate and provoking manner will be removed from the forum as quickly as possible after the event.
If any members are being harassed behind the scenes PM facility by any member/s here at 1879zuluwar.com please do not hesitate to forward the offending text.
We are all here to communicate and enjoy the various discussions and information on the Anglo Zulu War of 1879. Opinions will vary, you will agree and disagree with one another, we will have debates, and so it goes.
There is no excuse for harassment or bullying of anyone by another person on this site.
The above applies to the main frame areas of the forum.
The ring which is the last section on the forum, is available to those members who wish to partake in slagging matches. That section cannot be viewed by guests and only viewed by members that wish to do so. |
Fair Use Notice | Fair use notice.
This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner.
We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes.
We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website.
If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution. |
| | Ration Party Rorke's Drift | |
|
+3Frank Allewell SRB1965 Bill8183 7 posters | Author | Message |
---|
Bill8183
Posts : 161 Join date : 2015-11-08 Age : 55 Location : Sunderland
| Subject: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:57 pm | |
| According to Holmes in the Noble 24th pg 332 2-24/2453 Pte William Cooper F Company was sent there on the 21st January as part of a ration party. This information was quoted from the Regimental Journal October 1942.
Has anyone any information about this, has it been discounted? Are there any letters or accounts which mention other possible members? It's interesting to find out the reasons why so many different groups were there (hospital patients, prisoner escort etc)
Bill |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1203 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:30 am | |
| Hi Bill,
I have no added information to your question - or in fact to any question......however
I spose given its location and function, there would have been a continual trickle of people going back and forth between RD and the location of the Centre Column (+ a bit of cross traffic, up and down the border).
Chard/Robson went 'up country' (and returned) the morning of the battle to get his orders, Durnford passed by on his way to Isandlwana.
The mule drawn ambulance at Isandlwana, would (not given the circumstances of the 22nd) had been taxi-ing its passengers back to RD (at some point in the future).
The thing I find fascinating is how survival or accolade (on the 22nd) were down to pure fate - HAD Chard left a few hours later he - would possibly have been involved in the battle of Isandlwana and just been 'another name' on the casualty role instead of 'winning' the VC - without Chard, would have RD held.......there is no answer to that either way because we do not really know what effect he had on the course of the defence.....had RD have fallen would Chelmsford's campaign fell apart.....a Sir Garnet turned up sooner....
Cheers
Sime
|
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:46 am | |
| Unless Im mistaken Adrian Greaves has spent years trying to prove William Cooper was at RD. I do believe Cooper is related to either Greaves or Knight, or both. I have a paper on this I will try and dig out.
Cheers |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1203 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:06 am | |
| Hi Frank,
There was an 'Isandlwana' Cooper that IJK made a big noise about being related to (something about a letter or medal in someones loft) - I thought he was a Sgt but I may be mistooken (as usual)
Cheers
Sime |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:27 am | |
| Hi Sime The RD 'Cooper' mentioned by AG and IK is a Thomas Cooper.
Regards |
| | | ADMIN
Posts : 4349 Join date : 2008-11-01 Age : 65 Location : KENT
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:54 am | |
| |
| | | Kenny
Posts : 588 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:33 pm | |
| There were only two members of F Company 2/24th at Rorke's Drift over the period 21-23 January 1879 - 2-24/2453 Pte Wm Cooper and 25B/1459 Pte Robert Cole. This could be the ration party (?) (with a small wagon perhaps?). Cole was rescued from the hospital by LCpl McMahon AMC who was later awarded the DCM. Perhaps both were sent back from Isandlwana to Rorke's Drift to collect rations on 21 Jan or Cooper was just helping Cole back to obtain medical help - although there was medical help within No 3 Column. For just two soldiers on their own to travel through hostile territory seems a little reckless perhaps they were supported by other members of 2/24th who then may have caught up in the defence of Rorke's Drift. |
| | | ymob
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:54 pm | |
| Bonjour Kenny, In "England's sons" there is a third member quoted: 25B /1065 Pte James (sometimes appears as John) Ruck (footnote: Holme "gives his coy variously as B ...and E.... In fact it was F). Cordialement Frédéric |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:24 pm | |
| Hi Kenny In addition to Cooper and Cole travelling on there 'own' there were of course other examples not least Chard, Smith Dorrien, Hamer etc. Personally thinking in retrospect I would agree with you, very reckless.
Regards |
| | | Kenny
Posts : 588 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:42 pm | |
| So the 'ration' party could have been just Ruck and Cooper. Cole could have been left at the hospital at RD when his company passed through the drift. Pte Ruck following the action at RD was posted to G Company 2/24th (31 Jan 1879). |
| | | Bill8183
Posts : 161 Join date : 2015-11-08 Age : 55 Location : Sunderland
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:33 pm | |
| There could have been other members of the 2nd Battalion with him/them, it's interesting as we do not know the reasons for being there for all the defenders, Julian has written about the prisoner escort, you can only guess about who was a hospital patient etc. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3960 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Ration Party Rorke's Drift Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:37 pm | |
| 25 hospital patients can with certainty be identified. 11 others can be surmised. ES pp. 85-87. |
| | | | Ration Party Rorke's Drift | |
|
Similar topics | |
|
| Permissions in this forum: | You cannot reply to topics in this forum
| |
| |
| |