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Major Rivers, 13 April 1953. Major Carlos A Rivers -- 103 years.;Caption slip reads: 'Photographer: Mitchell. Date: 1953-04-13. Reporter: Cowles. Assignment: Major Rivers. 57/58: Major Carlos A Rivers, 103, reminiscing on eve of his 103rd b-day anniversary tomorrow.'. (Photo by Los Angeles Examiner/USC Libraries/Corbis via Getty Images)
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PostSubject: Captain Carlos A. Rivers - HMS Shah?   Captain Carlos A. Rivers - HMS Shah? EmptySun Nov 03, 2019 9:52 pm

graves,

There was no one with the name Carlos A. Rivers serving aboard HMS Shah during the Zulu War.  He is not listed among the officers, or enlisted men of the Royal Navy or Royal Marines.  He does not appear among the officers listed on the Navy List for December 1879, and  neither does the name appear on the Medal Roll for the South Africa Medal 1877-79.

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Hi Tom

Many thanks for having a look, I also could not find him listed anywhere.
Could he have enlisted under an alias?

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Andy,

I doubt it.  In one of your attachments, "Maidstone Journal and Kentish Advertiser 12 May 1898", Rivers
claims he was a late Captain in the Royal Navy.

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I’ve sought advice from a BSAP contact to see what they might have on file regarding this fellow.

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Hi John

Many thanks for seeking advice from your BSAP contact. Hopefully it will bare fruit.

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Andy,

Apparently the BFI hold some footage of the arrival of the African contingent for the Greater Britain Exhibition.

http://www.colonialfilm.org.uk/node/1186

There are some accompanying press reports of the scene and the exhibition in the side bar.

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I think that Rivers is on these moving images:

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-colonial-troops-and-cavalry-on-the-march-1899-online

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-savage-south-africa-savage-attack-and-repulse-1899-online

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