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PostSubject: Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers   Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers EmptyFri Aug 31, 2018 2:47 pm


There appears to be a consensus that the Natal Carbineer accompanying Adendorff away from Islandhlwana was a Trooper W Sibthorpe of the Natal Carbineers.
Is anyone able to point me towards any further information about him?

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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers   Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers EmptyFri Aug 31, 2018 6:46 pm

Hi MikeS

Welcome to the forum.

The best person who may be able to help you with further information is Forum Member, Julian Whybra.

Hopefully he will see you post and add a comment.

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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers   Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers EmptyFri Aug 31, 2018 7:34 pm

1879graves
Many thanks for your reply. Hopefully he will respond.
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PostSubject: Tpr Sibthorpe NC    Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers EmptySat Sep 01, 2018 2:14 am

Hi All
According to Julian's England's Sons Tpr Sibthorpe never left an account . Hopefully Julian will post what he knows of W.Sibthorpe .
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers   Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers EmptySat Sep 01, 2018 8:04 am

Hi
I'd direct you to the essay The Brave fugitive and p. 75 in particular in Studies in the Zulu War vol I.
Sibthorpe left no known account. Binns was the historian who stated definitively that it was S. and Adendorff who warned the Drift but without giving any provenance. As you will read a process of elimination would seen to suggest he was right.
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PostSubject: Re: Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers   Trooper W Sibthorpe, Natal Carbineers EmptySat Sep 01, 2018 1:12 pm

Julian
Thanks. I will look into these with interest. I note that the same name; this time a Private W Sibthorpe appears some years later at Lombards Kop in 1899 where a DCM was awarded alongside Lt.John Norwood's VC. 
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